Good fix Nilbog, but how about making this playable now?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Hyjalx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

did you watch your brother play during this era too?

I assume that's a dig at me, and no I did not watch my brother. I played other games at Matchplay, which was a computer gaming center where a core group of Club Fu (including Pouty) played back in the day.

But I mean, belittle me for not playing a particular computer game in 1999 all you want: it won't change the facts or convince the staff of anything.

[Daloon]

I just want to know how pathing got progressively worse over the years. Why do guilds need a GM present to do a damn Ring War when that was never the case prior. Server needs reverted a few years but not my box.

[Hyjalx]

I was talking to Baler because he said something along those lines as evidence in a previous post. You actually make sense most of the time, but I don't agree with your exploit claim.

And yes, I am well aware FU started in an internet cafe. I was one of few raid leaders of FU from Velious-PoP. Many vets of the time know this or I would get eviscerated commenting here.

I am simply just stating facts on how things were during this era.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Hyjalx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was talking to Baler because he said something along those lines as evidence in a previous post. You actually make sense most of the time, but I don't agree with your exploit claim.

And yes, I am well aware FU started in an internet cafe. I was one of few raid leaders of FU from Velious-PoP. Many vets of the time know this or I would get eviscerated commenting here.

I am simply just stating facts on how things were during this era.

Ah, apologies for getting defensive then.

As for the exploit thing ... how do you define exploit? Serious question.

Because personally I just can't come up with a reasonable definition that excludes "things Verant specifically patched the game to prevent" ... which is exactly what they did when they rooted the dragons in Luclin.

[loramin]

There's https://wiki.project1999.com/Non-Classic_Compendium but nothing for "gray" stuff .

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's https://wiki.project1999.com/Non-Classic_Compendium but nothing for "gray" stuff .

This is very unorganized, Frosty

[loramin]

Originally Posted by The Wiki

This is a wiki for a reason. Anyone can contribute. If you see something that is inaccurate or can be improved, don't ask that it be fixed--just improve it.

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[Detoxx]

Verant rooted dragons due to being able to abuse ledges and certain areas to hide from aoes and still attack. Had nothing to do with pulling to zone in. At all.

[Hyjalx]

Honestly, nobody gave 2 shits that dragons were going to zone in/zone out on live. It was only the first 5-6 dragons due to PC power and proximity. Everything beyond Aary should stay in north anyway.

The only thing the staff cared about in ToV was if we were literally sitting in each others camps or deliberately training each other (alas, the aary pit fiascos between FU and RoV)

And honestly *pulling* to zone in is not an exploit Loramin. My definition of an exploit is like... trying to get Vox stuck in the door in king room so she doesn't AOE, or what Conquest did against to be the first guild to wake the sleeper.


We have been pulling mobs, XP, and named alike, to zone in's and zone out's that are in close proximity in every zone in this game since the beginning. And it's often that folks will use zone in's and zone out's when they XP, or pull for their Seb key or VP key. So if shit hits the fan, its not an hours long CR.

This is no different man. Innoruuk came to zone in during classic/kunark era often. And so does Emperor Crush. Pick a zone. Likely a named or something is often pulled with the zone in safety net being used.

The problem with ToV is that we allow Vulak and the deeper mobs to come to zone in.
PC power was the main reason why this wasn't happening back in the day, and we should have been simulating it from the start. They should still be unrooted regardless.

Everything beyond Aary needs to just die in north.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Verant rooted dragons due to being able to abuse ledges and certain areas to hide from aoes and still attack. Had nothing to do with pulling to zone in. At all.

Originally Posted by Hyjalx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honestly, nobody gave 2 shits that dragons were going to zone in/zone out on live. It was only the first 5-6 dragons due to PC power and proximity. Everything beyond Aary should stay in north anyway.

You're both welcome to continue making this the hill you die on ... or you could both accept that the staff is unlikely to change their mind, and devote your energies to improving the raid scene in other ways.

It seems pretty clear those are your options at this point.