[Serious] Lets talk Top raiding guilds and their behavior

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by Jeni [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see anyone annoyed at the behavior of the top guilds as fanning flames. Just like the staff the majority of the player base is fed up with this nonsense. If the top guilds have to sit in timeout because they can't play nicely then that is on them and has nothing to do with the rest of the server.

If it has nothing to do with the rest of the server. Why is the rest of the server insisting they should have a say in how the top 3 are settling this?

[JackofSpade]

if other guilds want major input on new raid rules, they should join in the raid target ban that the other raiding guilds are experiencing

[Xulia]

Originally Posted by JackofSpade [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if other guilds want major input on new raid rules, they should join in the raid target ban that the other raiding guilds are experiencing

If a guild can’t complete all raid targets on their own they should not have a say in the rules that affect them.

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by Xulia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If a guild can’t complete all raid targets on their own they should not have a say in the rules that affect them.

Again, this is the only thing you seem to actually care about. That freedom is involved in this, yet you dont think they can kill anything solo. Well, im sorry, but that is not at all up to you. The GM's have made it very clear that only freedom, ag, and riot are a part of the agreement ban, as ill call it.

The fact that freedom and ag ally together for kills, does not mean freedom isn't competing. You think I care if riot allies with kittens? Not at all. So why is this such a big sticking point? And I never said freedom solo killed vulak, ever. I did say they have been a part of competitive vulaks.

And im sorry my earlier comment offended you. I was simply trying to point out that you are both asking me questions that were already answered, and accusing me of saying things I didnt.

[Xulia]

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fact that freedom and ag ally together for kills, does not mean freedom isn't competing. You think I care if riot allies with kittens? Not at all. So why is this such a big sticking point? And I never said freedom solo killed vulak, ever. I did say they have been a part of competitive vulak

Except we don’t ally with Kittens in every target because we can take down targets like AOW, Tunare, and Vulak alone. Freedom can’t. And the fact that they’re being given a say in how fights they can’t complete as one guild is the problem; that means Freedom is only getting a say in this because they’ve been that much of an issue and not because they’re competitive as a single entity. You’re just loud.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by JackofSpade [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if other guilds want major input on new raid rules, they should join in the raid target ban that the other raiding guilds are experiencing

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/...5.2016.1177390

[Dreenk317]

Also, none of this seems helpful toward resolving the issue at hand

[Duckwalk]

Have you considered that it might be in Riot/AG/Freedom's interest to have Kittens or other guilds bound by the same rules as they are? By denying Kittens and other raiding guilds the chance at any imput in this aren't you just guaranteeing a situation that incentivizes people / guilds being as disruptive as possible until the guides step in, ban everyone again, and THEN include them in negotiations?

Also, L-O-L at the insinsuation that Kittens are bad faith negotiatiors in this thing. Some people just live in an alternate reality I guess.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Duckwalk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have you considered that it might be in Riot/AG/Freedom's interest to have Kittens or other guilds bound by the same rules as they are? By denying Kittens and other raiding guilds the chance at any imput in this aren't you just guaranteeing a situation that incentivizes people / guilds being as disruptive as possible until the guides step in, ban everyone again, and THEN include them in negotiations?

Also, L-O-L at the insinsuation that Kittens are bad faith negotiatiors in this thing. Some people just live in an alternate reality I guess.

If they are making server rules you would be bound if you wanted or not. Player agreements you wouldn't be. They want server rules as a backup incase player agreements fail for whatever reason. I'm not saying if it's right or wrong but GM wants them to hash it , not like it's much choice.

[Duckwalk]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If they are making server rules you would be bound if you wanted or not. Player agreements you wouldn't be. They want server rules as a backup incase player agreements fail for whatever reason. I'm not saying if it's right or wrong but GM wants them to hash it , not like it's much choice.

We'll see how that plays out. My understanding is Riot/Ag/Freedom are making rules between themselves to reduced the toxicity of server in general. Their exclusion of Kittens and everyone else in the process by defintion means those guilds are not bound. Seems like its just going to create more problems in the long run.