tunare has been up for 3 weeks

[Sancta]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trying to dictate the behavior/standards of other players when your own only led to unprecedented restrictions and an ultimatum by staff? That doesn't make sense.

Current guilds which are not suspended want rotation on a mob that has been up for 3 weeks, and could have been killed 3 times. Think that through logically not emotionally. They are asking for something that's sitting on their plate untouched.

Better be some FFA rules on rotations after Tunare is untouched for a certain time. Seems that even with a rotation these guilds would just let her sit there and go FFA. Most likely will complain about it afterwards (see: this thread).

It's like asking to borrow someone's car but then instead of driving it let it sit in the driveway for 3 weeks, while probably letting the battery drain fully too. Then complaining (for some reason) that they didn't use the car.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Sancta [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Current guilds which are not suspended want rotation on a mob that has been up for 3 weeks, and could have been killed 3 times. Think that through logically not emotionally. They are asking for something that's sitting on their plate untouched.

Better be some FFA rules on rotations after Tunare is untouched for a certain time. Seems that even with a rotation these guilds would just let her sit there and go FFA. Most likely will complain about it afterwards (see: this thread).

It's like asking to borrow someone's car but then instead of driving it let it sit in the driveway for 3 weeks, while probably letting the battery drain fully too. Then complaining (for some reason) that they didn't use the car.

Logically, if there is more on the plate than ever before for these guilds, they're going to have their fill quicker and will need time to adjust to the new norm / absence of the big two. If new raid content was added, it would be the same for the dominant guilds. The etc guilds have been considering Tunare, but by not prioritizing her, it's revealed more about the emotions of those who remain suspended than the logic of those who are not. Also, that analogy doesn't fit. P99 isn't somehow depreciating in value if raid targets are left up, unless you RMT. Also, you and I own none of this, it's all borrowed from bog/rog.

[Littul Jonn]

Originally Posted by Sancta [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Current guilds which are not suspended want rotation on a mob that has been up for 3 weeks, and could have been killed 3 times. Think that through logically not emotionally. They are asking for something that's sitting on their plate untouched.

Better be some FFA rules on rotations after Tunare is untouched for a certain time. Seems that even with a rotation these guilds would just let her sit there and go FFA. Most likely will complain about it afterwards (see: this thread).

It's like asking to borrow someone's car but then instead of driving it let it sit in the driveway for 3 weeks, while probably letting the battery drain fully too. Then complaining (for some reason) that they didn't use the car.

I think you're right.

The guilds that are not raid banned right now have a difficult time mustering the 90+ raiders needed to do the content thanks to the dragons being rooted. Given the choice of spending 3ish hours on a ring dragon after a work day, or spending your Saturday killing a few ring dragons, it's no wonder Tunare is untouched.

Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on your point of view), the rooted dragons killed casual raiding. When raid bans happened like this during the AM vs. AW vs. CSG days, this would mean the casuals were able to clear all content during the ban. Now, it's too much of a time commitment for casuals so mobs stay up.

[Nuggie]

Eh, seems like casuals are consuming content at a casual pace. Not that they're not able to do it.

[Hotel]

Originally Posted by Littul Jonn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you're right.

The guilds that are not raid banned right now have a difficult time mustering the 90+ raiders needed to do the content thanks to the dragons being rooted. Given the choice of spending 3ish hours on a ring dragon after a work day, or spending your Saturday killing a few ring dragons, it's no wonder Tunare is untouched.

Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on your point of view), the rooted dragons killed casual raiding. When raid bans happened like this during the AM vs. AW vs. CSG days, this would mean the casuals were able to clear all content during the ban. Now, it's too much of a time commitment for casuals so mobs stay up.

you're honestly the best person to ask in regards to the state of tov and no one listens to you, sad

miss ya brah

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Littul Jonn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you're right.

The guilds that are not raid banned right now have a difficult time mustering the 90+ raiders needed to do the content thanks to the dragons being rooted. Given the choice of spending 3ish hours on a ring dragon after a work day, or spending your Saturday killing a few ring dragons, it's no wonder Tunare is untouched.

Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on your point of view), the rooted dragons killed casual raiding. When raid bans happened like this during the AM vs. AW vs. CSG days, this would mean the casuals were able to clear all content during the ban. Now, it's too much of a time commitment for casuals so mobs stay up.

Team up against Vyemm and Vulak were easily accomplished first go. More than enough players stayed throughout the clear and 80-90, possibly more, even followed up with klandi afterwards. As is often the case, raids feel more orderly with lower numbers, but even between multiple cooperating guilds, rooted dragons were a nonissue. Low numbers guilds have been killing or very nearly killing in ToV. Time commitment is an issue depending on the hour, but it's more satisfying than dragon conveyor belt pulls and circle push kills.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Team up against Vyemm and Vulak were easily accomplished first go. More than enough players stayed throughout the clear and 80-90, possibly more, even followed up with klandi afterwards. As is often the case, raids feel more orderly with lower numbers, but even between multiple cooperating guilds, rooted dragons were a nonissue. Low numbers guilds have been killing or very nearly killing in ToV. Time commitment is an issue depending on the hour, but it's more satisfying than dragon conveyor belt pulls and circle push kills.

Rooted dragons didn’t change much honestly anyways , it’s still loot conveyor because they will kite most things to kill little trash as possible.

[Hotel]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Team up against Vyemm and Vulak were easily accomplished first go. More than enough players stayed throughout the clear and 80-90, possibly more, even followed up with klandi afterwards. As is often the case, raids feel more orderly with lower numbers, but even between multiple cooperating guilds, rooted dragons were a nonissue. Low numbers guilds have been killing or very nearly killing in ToV. Time commitment is an issue depending on the hour, but it's more satisfying than dragon conveyor belt pulls and circle push kills.

how is what was happening in tov this last year not a loot conveyor belt. would love some follow up on that.

in fact it was a conveyor belt that instead of funneling towards at least 3 different guilds it went mostly towards one.

your argument that it feels more "satisfying" doesn't pass the bs test for people who spend most of their time on this game actually in the zone

[Sancta]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Logically, if there is more on the plate than ever before for these guilds, they're going to have their fill quicker and will need time to adjust to the new norm / absence of the big two. If new raid content was added, it would be the same for the dominant guilds. The etc guilds have been considering Tunare, but by not prioritizing her, it's revealed more about the emotions of those who remain suspended than the logic of those who are not. Also, that analogy doesn't fit. P99 isn't somehow depreciating in value if raid targets are left up, unless you RMT. Also, you and I own none of this, it's all borrowed from bog/rog.

Tunare is absolutely depreciating in value here, value to the casual guilds. They value it way less so they don't kill the mob. They literally do not want to kill the mob. They've shown they don't want to kill it by leaving it up for 3 weeks. They can schedule the Tunare kill right now, it's never been more free and casual, and it's still not being killed.

When Bog/Rog let the mobs spawn the big 3 guilds go and kill the mobs, they don't ask for rotations, they don't let it sit in their driveway and mess up the windows etc. They put a ton of effort into getting it done. Even a smidge of that type of effort is lacking from the casual guilds in an extremely casual time. Cannot get more casual right now for any raid mob in the game. Asking for rotations on a mob that they put no effort into and don't even kill while it's up for 3 weeks is insane.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rooted dragons didn’t change much honestly anyways , it’s still loot conveyor because they will kite most things to kill little trash as possible.

Sort of, yeah, but more flurry loot now than before and hybrids/enchanters have a less one-dimensional role, weaponshield sees more use, etc.