WTF is going on.

[razorz]

So there I was in this hallway, right?

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Taluvill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it was cleared up

My rofl copter goes tchdvdxtchtchdvdxtchtchdvdxtchtchdvdtche

[President]

Originally Posted by razorz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So there I was in this hallway, right?

Nice reference Razorz... http://bash.org/?99060

[Otto]

Originally Posted by Taluvill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you guys dont stand for cheating and hacking, why did you guys take Tiki back after he had been hacking the first time? the second? how about now. He says he's still playing, just with a different character. and hes laying low. I would too if i was hacking 24/7.

So dont tell me you guys dont agree with hacking and whatnot, neither Otto nor hasbinbad can back that one up.

You are dumb. Of course I can back it up.


If a GM allows an individual to come back / stay on the server, why wouldn't I agree with their judgment call? When I talked to Tiki on ventrilo, it seemed to me like it was a genuine misunderstanding.

Regardless of the circumstances, his use of any program against the server rules never once effected the raids or how they were organized.


If you want to take a look at our track record, you'd see that we've kicked every known hacker/exploiter/potential two boxer that has effected our guild straight to Nilbog's doorstep.

Apparently that's more than you can say.

[karsten]

things that are funny: taluvill talking shit to trimm about "whining because they can't get a raid mob"

[Segoris]

Originally Posted by Otto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are dumb. Of course I can back it up.


If a GM allows an individual to come back / stay on the server, why wouldn't I agree with their judgment call? When I talked to Tiki on ventrilo, it seemed to me like it was a genuine misunderstanding.

Regardless of the circumstances, his use of any program against the server rules never once effected the raids or how they were organized.

I can understand it being a misunderstanding the first time being kicked (people playing an EMU don't really think 3rd party programs are cheating as it's not live, I can understand that), but the second time? How can that second time possibly be a misunderstanding? It's cut and dry after the first time, 3rd party programs are against the rules, no ifs, ands, or buts. I can only think of one single reason it could be viewed as a misunderstanding a second time, and it's a really far fucking stretch and would require a lot of stupidity, laziness, and ignorance by the end user.

Additionally, I'd say your backing up previous actions of taking back in a known cheater is weak in this case. The GMs rulings aren't exactly all that great and are far from consistent as possible as far as discipline goes that I've seen. Dblock destroys cleric arms in hate that aren't his and what's his punishment for that? That's a serious question since I don't believe there was a punishment. Compare that to Taluvill destroying two masks and getting two weeks forced-vacation. If Dblock did get a week ban (and not just a week off Dblock account if they are seperate while he plays another character) for destroying one item while Talu gets two weeks for destroying two items, that would be the second good call I've seen since I've been on this server.

Originally Posted by Otto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want to take a look at our track record, you'd see that we've kicked every known hacker/exploiter/potential two boxer that has effected our guild straight to Nilbog's doorstep.

Apparently that's more than you can say.

Proof? Names? (Edit: Normally I could understand not naming names, but in this case as it's people you are obviously against I see no reason to withhold them, /End Edit) Talu can say he's reported just as many of his own and that would be as credible as your last paragraph at this point. So your whole post is on an equal level with this entire thread, pointless. It backs up nothing.

Now Otto, I'm not responding with the intent to argue, rather I'm being serious and hoping you do back this shit up so some people can stfu and just get back to business. This is a dumb thread that shouldn't have been created in the first place and just further fuels the flames of retardation that makes raiding more of a bitchfest and less of good quality competition at the moment. This is coming from someone who's not drinking the kool-aid of the cult that thinks anyone who gets a named mob is using 3rd party programs (Edit: that isn't just Trans there either, I've talked with people from other guilds as well, /End Edit). I know some of the IB trackers and see the work and effort they put in and respect that. But I've also seen some shit from IB that couldn't be explained in any other way but to suspect cheating. It does get reported and then I move on.

[Segoris]

Originally Posted by karsten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

things that are funny: taluvill talking shit to trimm about "whining because they can't get a raid mob"

^This made me laugh, nicely done.

[Pheer]

Care to elaborate on this "shit that can't be explained" satsui?

[Segoris]

I will if you would quote the part you want explained. I never used the phrase "shit that can't be explained." My guess is you mean the one case where I could imagine someone being allowed back in a second time?

[President]

Originally Posted by Segoris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will if you would quote the part you want explained. I never used the phrase "shit that can't be explained." My guess is you mean the one case where I could imagine someone being allowed back in a second time?

There was only one place in your post where you mentioned "can't be explained" in reference to IB, and an IB member is asking you to clarify. Put 2 and 2 together...