Sullon Zek: Lessons from a true PvP server

[Humerox]

VERY LONG.

Has some very interesting points about FFA, and some of the follow-up posts hash out the dynamics. Good read imo, and validates my support for an SZ style box.

[Lazortag]

While SZ sounded fun as hell, I still don't see how anyone can justify having no level range for pvp. Especially on eqemu pvp servers where reputation just doesn't matter and no one will punish players who farm low level players for yellow text.

[AffEcT]

Good read

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While SZ sounded fun as hell, I still don't see how anyone can justify having no level range for pvp. Especially on eqemu pvp servers where reputation just doesn't matter and no one will punish players who farm low level players for yellow text.

Reputation really didn't matter on SZ, either. There were the dedicated griefers, but you learned who they were. There were no punishments for griefing, corpse-camping, or anything else. The team aspect and the brutal PvP were the incentives for grouping, and it worked.

Griefers were looked down upon by everybody...because popping level 1's in GFay was easy. Peer pressure kept most of the big boys in line...and the dedicated griefers, well...they only fed on tears and moved on when you didn't give them any. (Besides...they were the ones that really couldn't hack real PvP). I remember one killing me more than 10 times in DC on my way to Unrest, and he finally asked me if I was mad. I told him no...that I was enjoying the scenery and picking daffodils on my way back every time. Don't remember him ever bothering me again.

QQ sealed your fate on SZ...period. There were some that even respected you for taking it...had quite a bit of gear given to me after getting ganked over and over, and not saying a word except "good fight"...even if it wasn't, lol.

[Yulath]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Reputation really didn't matter on SZ, either. There were the dedicated griefers, but you learned who they were. There were no punishments for griefing, corpse-camping, or anything else. The team aspect and the brutal PvP were the incentives for grouping, and it worked.

Griefers were looked down upon by everybody...because popping level 1's in GFay was easy. Peer pressure kept most of the big boys in line...and the dedicated griefers, well...they only fed on tears and moved on when you didn't give them any. (Besides...they were the ones that really couldn't hack real PvP). I remember one killing me more than 10 times in DC on my way to Unrest, and he finally asked me if I was mad. I told him no...that I was enjoying the scenery and picking daffodils on my way back every time. Don't remember him ever bothering me again.

QQ sealed your fate on SZ...period. There were some that even respected you for taking it...had quite a bit of gear given to me after getting ganked over and over, and not saying a word except "good fight"...even if it wasn't, lol.

Everything about your post tells me you never played on Sullon. You couldn't trade with or talk to anybody from the opposing team, there was a +/-20 level limit on PvP, and nobody could kill a level 1.

edit: and there was no such thing as a "griefer" on Sullon. That was the entire point of the server, and if you think anybody looked down on anybody, you're wrong.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Yulath [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everything about your post tells me you never played on Sullon. You couldn't trade with or talk to anybody from the opposing team, there was a +/-20 level limit on PvP, and nobody could kill a level 1.

edit: and there was no such thing as a "griefer" on Sullon. That was the entire point of the server, and if you think anybody looked down on anybody, you're wrong.

Iirc, at server up, you could attack level 1's. They patched in a change later. I should have said level 6, though...since you wanna get technical. Also, items could be dropped and people had alts on different accounts, or don't you remember? And the 20 level limit was on beneficial spells, not pvp.

AND...you could emote to communicate. Remember? Maybe YOU didn't play.

But if you did...you must have been team bluebie, cuz the only griefers that played were ebils and a couple ToWs. Probably played an SK and showed up once an hour or so in OT till you banged somebody, hiding until bards could charmburn ya with the guards. Or maybe you were a deleveler with a fungi, or something. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EDIT: All in good fun, so w/e. SZ was the best ruleset, imo.

[Galanteer]

Originally Posted by Yulath [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everything about your post tells me you never played on Sullon. You couldn't trade with or talk to anybody from the opposing team, there was a +/-20 level limit on PvP, and nobody could kill a level 1.

wtf are you talking about. There was no level limit, you could kill a level one out of newbie zones, you could talk to anyone, there were global chat channels, and you could trade. You could even buff the other team if you /duel.

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by Yulath [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everything about your post tells me you never played on Sullon. You couldn't trade with or talk to anybody from the opposing team, there was a +/-20 level limit on PvP, and nobody could kill a level 1.

edit: and there was no such thing as a "griefer" on Sullon. That was the entire point of the server, and if you think anybody looked down on anybody, you're wrong.

Wow who the fuck is this tard?

SZ had the best ruleset of any pvp server and if they tweaked the classes/deities a tad it would be a winner for red99

[Sniperfire]

Originally Posted by Yulath [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everything about your post tells me you never played on Sullon. You couldn't trade with or talk to anybody from the opposing team, there was a +/-20 level limit on PvP, and nobody could kill a level 1.

edit: and there was no such thing as a "griefer" on Sullon. That was the entire point of the server, and if you think anybody looked down on anybody, you're wrong.

there was no0 lvl limit on sz srry

[Galacticus]

Originally Posted by Sniperfire [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there was no0 lvl limit on sz srry

Confirmed.