How do Barbarian Shamans and their toys hold up in Velious?

[pasi]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well Svenn soloed the protector last night in Kunark gear (using the puppet strings obviously), and thats harder than Lodizal based on mqemulator not to mention you can't kite him.

I personally think Lodizal is a harder solo for shamans than Protector mostly due to rampage. The better charm-base of Sebilis and near-double HP of Lodizal are other factors.

[quido]

Ohhh those are golems, not juggs.

[Arclanz]

Originally Posted by Hagglebaron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The server's elite shamans seem to be mostly barbarians, so that has to say something right?

Also, agree that not looking like a fat retard (ogre) is a great reason to go for the other races!

This had me wondering, then I thought....perhaps those elite barb shamans are just Necro/Druid twinks... Will the real slim Shaman please stand up.

[Spitty]

Thinking...not your forte.

[skorge]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's been said a million times, but here's one million and one. Ogre frontal stun immunity is so overrated. A slowed mob bashes once every 32 seconds. Half of those don't land. Many mobs kick half the time instead of bash. Stun immunity means 1 less interrupt every minute or two. The majority of interrupts come from straight damage push, not from bash. If you're playing your level 60 shaman right, the majority of your casts is canni 3. Being interrupted on canni 3 is not something to cry about. Ogres are shit.

Dude is right on. U will rarely need that frontal stun immunity EVEN in PVP! This is coming from someone who has a 50+ troll shaman on blue and a 50+ ogre shaman on red....troll shaman are better if you ask me. The regen outweighs the frontal immunity. Take it from someone who has played BOTH races to 50+. You will ALWAYS benefit from the added regen. My ogre has to sit a shit ton longer to regen his hp up after meleeing a mob, even with regen item...where as my troll can sit for just a minute and be fine (u want to have a good balance where your health regens up to full at the same time ur mana does...it doesnt happen a lot with ogre).

Take it from me, a dude who has played ogre and troll shaman on P99, that trolls > ogre...

[greatdane]

Stun immunity is particularly good when tanking several mobs. It's not like you spend your entire EQ life only ever fighting one mob at a time. You'll get trained, you'll get adds, you'll get healing aggro, all kinds of shit can cause several mobs to start hitting you. Try timing your casts around bash with four fuckers in your face. Suddenly you're getting bashed every few seconds if you aren't immune.

Not to mention the fact that ogres just have better stats, which really doesn't stop being relevant until you're balls deep into ToV. Less than ten shamans on this server will have Velious BiS gear. Contrary to popular belief, shaman gear isn't packed with stamina.

PS: iksar innate AC bonus is 42. That's as much as two and forty. And that's terrible.

[Nerosys]

I played a troll shaman through live and i did just fine, able to raid all high end content with not much problems.

However get a couple resisted slows in velious and tell me you don't want frontal stun immunity, alot of people talk through theorycrafting and not from actual playtime, Regen is great for a shaman but once you get Torpor it really doesen't make much difference whatsoever.


Rotokan

[skorge]

Originally Posted by Nerosys [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I played a troll shaman through live and i did just fine, able to raid all high end content with not much problems.

However get a couple resisted slows in velious and tell me you don't want frontal stun immunity, alot of people talk through theorycrafting and not from actual playtime, Regen is great for a shaman but once you get Torpor it really doesen't make much difference whatsoever.


Rotokan

u weigh less than 1% of your total play experience (the situation you said above) where you take advantage of the ogre's special ability, vs. ALWAYS and I repeat this ALWAYS having the troll's and iksar's specials, innate regen, kicking in....it's not even an option to me. Troll > Ogre 99% of the time.

Note, im saying this because the average shaman player won't bother trying to solo near impossible mobs...for straight up convenience troll is the best shaman choice. You get to wear the JBB, plus have super fast regen, and also the snare necklace as a bonus. Throw in pre-nerf guise of deceiver = winning (to some who have access to a troll with a guise).

Also note, even on Red I would prefer a troll over ogre. I know you guys who are obssesd with ogre frontal stun immunity will have a different opinion, but even on Red the regen > stun immunity. I have a 53 ogre shaman on Red and I wished I woulda rolled a troll...only reason I didnt was the negative fire damage (when the server was booming there was a shit ton of mages).

[Nerosys]

Originally Posted by skorge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

u weigh less than 1% of your total play experience (the situation you said above) where you take advantage of the ogre's special ability, vs. ALWAYS and I repeat this ALWAYS having the troll's and iksar's specials, innate regen, kicking in....it's not even an option to me. Troll > Ogre 99% of the time.

Note, im saying this because the average shaman player won't bother trying to solo near impossible mobs...for straight up convenience troll is the best shaman choice. You get to wear the JBB, plus have super fast regen, and also the snare necklace as a bonus. Throw in pre-nerf guise of deceiver = winning (to some who have access to a troll with a guise).

Also note, even on Red I would prefer a troll over ogre. I know you guys who are obssesd with ogre frontal stun immunity will have a different opinion, but even on Red the regen > stun immunity. I have a 53 ogre shaman on Red and I wished I woulda rolled a troll...only reason I didnt was the negative fire damage (when the server was booming there was a shit ton of mages).

Nobody is talking about red, obviously in pvp regen plays a different role compared to stun vs other RL pc's that's obvious and doesen't really need to be stated.

As i said regen means mostly nothing when you get torpor plus a fungi or vindi BP in velious which most forget aura of battle also gives regen.

Also you are correct it will not be a situation that arises all the time however if your goal is to later take down big baddies solo on-top of those situations where your resisted slow nets you aggro, frontal stun immunity is > regen anyday.

You can pick any race and be successful as a shaman, my point is frontal stun immunity especially going into an expansion where mobs hit alot harder therefore making regen even less of a boon is a better option for myself based on my playstyle.

[azeth]

To reiterate the facts presented in this thread:

You're a fool if you choose Regen over frontal stun immunity. People in this thread are far too defensive of their poor race choice, it's sort of funny.

If you want to min max

Cleric - Dark Elf
Rogue - Dwarf/Barb
Sham - Ogre
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