I hate this perma-camping shit

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are implying knowledge of Nizzarr's motivations. I find that to be a disingenuous statement.

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wall of text explaining Nizzar's motivations

[Alawen Everywhere]

Perhaps, Taxi, you missed key phrases such as "I think" and "it seems". My speculation was presented as a counterpoint to Supreme's speculation. Supreme's speculation was presented as a point of fact, which it is clearly not. None of us know why Nizzarr is doing what he's doing except Nizzarr.

I do understand the meanings of words and I tend to choose them carefully.

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Perhaps, Taxi, you missed key phrases such as "I think" and "it seems". My speculation was presented as a counterpoint to Supreme's speculation. Supreme's speculation was presented as a point of fact, which it is clearly not. None of us know why Nizzarr is doing what he's doing except Nizzarr.

I do understand the meanings of words and I tend to choose them carefully.

Yea so youre positive 80 or 90% that Nizzar quit after suggesting rulesets because he was like lol, my evil plan has been unleashed, now let them simmer in their juices for a couple of months, and then for the finale, the masterstroke, , the finish him, CAMP ROTATE! MUH HA HA!!! Theyll never recover from this crippling blow.

[G13]

Originally Posted by Phallax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If caught AFK camping, no matter what spawn youre camping it is a bootable offense, Ive seen it personally at Hadden while i was trying to get Pyz to spawn.
Its not hard to AFK camp if you set your audio triggers. But if youre trully AFK and no where near the comp during a long respawn such as Hadden, ToV dude in HHP, anything thats a long ass camp. Its bootable.

Its an inconvenience at most but that sort of inconvenience can get annoying quickly when booted over and over.

That's why there is a thing called "roll call" when the boss spawns

[Stepy]

I remember back in the old days when i was camping Hadden for the earring i had my alarm clock set for 5 hours and 30 mins in advance so i could either log in or port to bind spot at Hadden. If someone was there already i'd wait around to get the time it died and set alarm again, eventually i got the earring and 2 for my alts.

[Alawen Everywhere]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea so youre positive 80 or 90% that Nizzar quit after suggesting rulesets because he was like lol, my evil plan has been unleashed, now let them simmer in their juices for a couple of months, and then for the finale, the masterstroke, , the finish him, CAMP ROTATE! MUH HA HA!!! Theyll never recover from this crippling blow.

No, of course I'm not positive, which is why I explicitly included phrases like "I think" and "it seems".

Unlike me, you seem to be using the word "positive" loosely. Positive means admitting of no question. Your phrase "positive 80 or 90%" (clumsy, nearly illiterate) is similar to a phrase like "a little bit pregnant". These are boolean conditions. One is either positive or one is unsure. My facts were stated as facts and my thoughts were stated as thoughts.

No, I don't particularly envision Nizzarr as an evil Dick Cheney figure dismantling regulations for fun and profit. As I stated, I don't think he has much vested interest in either his new guild or this server. Nizzarr was in uber guilds on live and I suspect that he couldn't really care less about much of this except the ire he feels toward his former guildmates.

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, of course I'm not positive, which is why I explicitly included phrases like "I think" and "it seems".

Unlike me, you seem to be using the word "positive" loosely. Positive means admitting of no question. Your phrase "positive 80 or 90%" (clumsy, nearly illiterate) is similar to a phrase like "a little bit pregnant". These are boolean conditions. One is either positive or one is unsure. My facts were stated as facts and my thoughts were stated as thoughts.

No, I don't particularly envision Nizzarr as an evil Dick Cheney figure dismantling regulations for fun and profit. As I stated, I don't think he has much vested interest in either his new guild or this server. Nizzarr was in uber guilds on live and I suspect that he couldn't really care less about much of this except the ire he feels toward his former guildmates.

Well youre positive enough to make accusations. So its ok if i say "I think" and "it seems" that George Bush was directly responsible for planes flying into the WTC? Cuz... it sure looks like it! I think!

See, now were getting somewhere in this R&F thread.

[Aadill]

Alawen:

Nizzarr made a post on the forums about a possible idea that I believe does not wholly represent the beliefs of Dark Ascension, Remedy, Divinity, or Inglourious Basterds. I'd like to invite you to at least acknowledge the fact that because of the thread, other ideas have been passed around in attempt to at least come up with some alternatives to the current ruleset.

There is no combination of words that disguises the reasoning for a particular vote. To make the assumption of these intentions, however, is to place bias in your argument. We, as a community, will never be able to scribe out a ruleset that works for everyone due to this bias. Obviously the next best choice is to benefit as many people that are affected as possible. With the current raid scene, DA and IB are the only ones affected. Other guilds are certainly interested in raiding but the utilization of the current ruleset has pushed out any other participants. I do understand your concern about rotations. Your point is well taken with things such as VP and ST. This is why all of this needs to be discussed.

Some ideas about FFA has been passed around. Other ideas such as Suicide Kings and a soft rotation have also been thrown about. Something like SK offers a rotation to those who mobilize, but still contributes to the problem that you are concerned with. Perhaps it is not as bad as you think, or it is worse than I think.

With the current ruleset we do see some level of competition. It is not the same type, but the rules in place were decided by the players. The "loophole" you keep talking about is, if I'm not mistaken, a post by a GM saying that "if you want to camp your guild out for days on end, go right ahead [you crazy f**ks]". To expound on that: If you are willing to camp, you will receive a reward, assuming you mobilize first, maintain a presence, and do not fail at the encounter. If you choose to go after certain mobs, you understand the risk of losing others. That's the beauty of the variance system. Thus far, IB received Lady Vox and Lord Nagafen; DA received Innoruuk, Maestro, dracoliche, Cazic Thule. Last week it was just the opposite, and Divinity took down Maestro due to a dispute between DA and IB. In all of this, there were choices that were made about which mobs to camp. Is this your idea of classic EQ competition? Perhaps not. Is camping fun? There seems to be a majority vote towards no. The current ruleset does force you to make decisions as to what is best for your guild. I consider that a challenge. Perhaps it is not the best solution, but unless we actually sit down and figure it out, it's going to remain as it is.

[Aarone]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To restate how much i appreciate you guys work, i think the MMO emu scene is where the gaming mod scene was 10 years ago...
Thats why it pains me to see all the bullshit here, people are like ITEMS!! I WANT!! I WANT!! and dont take a breather to try to see long term whats good for the server in general.

<3

Hear hear!!

[Alawen Everywhere]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well youre positive enough to make accusations. So its ok if i say "I think" and "it seems" that George Bush was directly responsible for planes flying into the WTC? Cuz... it sure looks like it! I think!

See, now were getting somewhere in this R&F thread.

Yes, it is both grammatically correct and logically sound for you to speculate on conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11. There are many bizarre details that make such speculation very interesting. Unfortunately, this sort of talk also tends to get one labeled as a crackpot.

Your implication with this metaphor, of course, is that I am a crackpot for not taking Nizzarr at his word that he only wants what's best for everyone. I have many reasons for believing that is untrue, including the fact that he's involved in wasting the staff's time with petitions to quibble over raid targets, as well as the thinly veiled elitism I see in his proposal.