the i dont care about politics anymore thread

[Ooloo]

Covid is already showing obvious signs of evolving to be more benign. Every variant thus far has followed the same pattern: It becomes more spreadable but less serious in terms of actual illness. And the *first* strain already had like a 99% survival rate for most people, and even a 90+ survival rate among the vulnerable.

It's just not the plague certain political groups are making it out to be. At the very beginning of the pandemic when images were coming out of china and italy that looked like a zombie movie, sure maybe our drastic response made sense then. We understand so much more about it now though, yet have barely altered our response at all.

[Whale biologist]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's just not the plague certain political groups are making it out to be. At the very beginning of the pandemic when images were coming out of china and italy that looked like a zombie movie, sure maybe our drastic response made sense then. We understand so much more about it now though, yet have barely altered our response at all.

Why not include the vaccines in your argument? They're terrific.

[Botten]

Originally Posted by Homesteaded [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay autism brain.

Let me break this down for you. Not every single virus behaves this way does not mean it isn’t the rule. What you’re doing is called nut picking.

The virus, speaking anthropomorphically, just wants to spread and have its genes replicated...

.. the problem is that it’s not always possible, and in many instances is never possible, to be more transmissible and also less lethal..

...animal viruses that evolved over time to become more lethal, including myxoma virus in rabbits and Marek’s disease in chicken

...norovirus, which causes diarrhea and vomiting, and leads to hundreds of deaths each year in the U.S.

If the best way for it is to spread by causing severe symptoms it will continue to do that.

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by Whale biologist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why not include the vaccines in your argument? They're terrific.

Well I do think people at very high risk from covid should get them, but they aren't a magic bullet. For one thing they are turning out to be far less durable over time than initially thought. Hence 2 shots turned to 3 and 4 now in some places.

Given that they do have serious documented (albeit rare) side effects, and the fact that we still have no long term data on them since they are still so young, it doesn't make sense to me for low-risk groups (healthy young people and children especially) to get this vax and take on whatever unknown future risks that might entail, when mounting evidence is showing that just getting covid and recovering gives you a naturally acquired immunity that's way more durable than the vaccines seem to be.

So I'm not anti-vax at all, but I'm also not just blindly, unthinkingly pro-experimental-covid-vax for every single person and every case

[Jibartik]

Boy I hope skidmark isnt right about everything.

[Knowledge]

According to Yahoo Omicron is Armageddon.

[Jibartik]

Greek Alphabet:
omicron = O
delta = Δ

O
Δ

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[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Botten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Going a different direction on this.

Studies are on going but could Omicron be a lucky strain?

What do I mean by this? Omicron could offer a 6 month calming section from other Covid variants. Why? Well it *could* provide some immunity to those unvaccinated who get over omicron but then come in contact with a more dangerous variant.

More studies need to take place thou. But still get vaccinated.

I could see this. Does less damage, creates the same type of antibodies. Problem is it doesn’t seem all that virulent. Last I heard there were only like 50 cases in the USA

[Whale biologist]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well I do think people at very high risk from covid should get them, but they aren't a magic bullet. For one thing they are turning out to be far less durable over time than initially thought. Hence 2 shots turned to 3 and 4 now in some places.

Given that they do have serious documented (albeit rare) side effects, and the fact that we still have no long term data on them since they are still so young, it doesn't make sense to me for low-risk groups (healthy young people and children especially) to get this vax and take on whatever unknown future risks that might entail, when mounting evidence is showing that just getting covid and recovering gives you a naturally acquired immunity that's way more durable than the vaccines seem to be.

So I'm not anti-vax at all, but I'm also not just blindly, unthinkingly pro-experimental-covid-vax for every single person and every case

No sympathy for the healthcare logistics argument?

Some number, likely a small number, of healthy-presenting individuals will end up severely sick and hospitalized if they don't vaxx, straining critical care units that already operate at near capacity under normal circumstances. This endangers not just themselves but the at-risk vaxxed.

Who should get the bed? Refusing to choose is a choice.

[Botten]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Boy I hope skidmark isnt right about everything.

Jib do you like being one of the people who Facebook, Instagram and Twitter pray on to help them disperse their propaganda?

The troll of that video (most likely foreign to disrupt our nation) is saying those who got the Covid Vaccine were duped. Then lists the many studies with a mean range of percents the vaccine provide in immunity to Covid.

We live in a world where we are blessed and many studies take place in various population sizes to give us the rough estimate to how well the vaccine works.

Don't be a pawn.