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Old 03-10-2021, 06:06 PM
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Old 03-10-2021, 06:15 PM
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Apologia for extra judicial killings, torture, and disappearing your political opponents is bad.
Your political opponents that put your country in a destitute state and devalued your currency.

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"You know what. You know what? The idea; that people in power, use that power, to preserve that power, lawfully or unlawfully? That's crazy. Put your head in an oven. Kill yourself right now, if you think that's the case. If you think, that people do, surreptitious, secretive, things, to gain power, to maintain power, for fun, for whatever reason. If you think that human nature includes the capacity to be, dishonest. Something is wrong with you, drive into a wall at 120 miles an hour, in a Mercedes. Michael Hastings; crackpot, conspiracy theorist, BYE BYE, fuckhead. Look him up, Michael Hastings, horrible guy."

What do Seth Rich, Michael Hastings, Andrew Breitbart, Pinochet's political opponents, Putin's political opponents, and really, anyone's political opponents have in common?

Mysterious cause of death.

If you're telling me right now the government wouldn't do anything they want to fuck with you, then you're telling me the Tuskegee Experiments never happened, MK Ultra never happened, the Patriot Act was never passed, etc. etc.
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Old 03-10-2021, 06:23 PM
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Your political opponents that put your country in a destitute state and devalued your currency.



"You know what. You know what? The idea; that people in power, use that power, to preserve that power, lawfully or unlawfully? That's crazy. Put your head in an oven. Kill yourself right now, if you think that's the case. If you think, that people do, surreptitious, secretive, things, to gain power, to maintain power, for fun, for whatever reason. If you think that human nature includes the capacity to be, dishonest. Something is wrong with you, drive into a wall at 120 miles an hour, in a Mercedes. Michael Hastings; crackpot, conspiracy theorist, BYE BYE, fuckhead. Look him up, Michael Hastings, horrible guy."

What do Seth Rich, Michael Hastings, Andrew Breitbart, Pinochet's political opponents, Putin's political opponents, and really, anyone's political opponents have in common?

Mysterious cause of death.

If you're telling me right now the government wouldn't do anything they want to fuck with you, then you're telling me the Tuskegee Experiments never happened, MK Ultra never happened, the Patriot Act was never passed, etc. etc.
Cui bono should also never be the only question to ask, as benefits from an event are never enough to directly implicate one with an action. If it is only asked who benefits from something and other factors are not taken into account, ridiculous conclusions can be extrapolated.

Take the following example:
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Emperor penguins thrive in extremely cold climates. Many other species don't. Therefore it is obvious that emperor penguins have the most to gain from a cold Antarctica, hence emperor penguins are responsible for the cold in extreme southern latitudes.
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Old 03-10-2021, 06:27 PM
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Your political opponents that put your country in a destitute state and devalued your currency.
If someone disagrees with your economic priorities they deserve to be killed by being thrown from a helicopter, that's one hell of an ideology.
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Old 03-10-2021, 06:35 PM
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If someone disagrees with your economic priorities they deserve to be killed by being thrown from a helicopter, that's one hell of an ideology.
"Economic priorities". Why are you the kind of dipshit who poses things in hypotheticals when the Chilean economy recovered due to Pinochet's leadership with real world examples?

Do you need me to equate it to a Marvel movie so you understand?

If I were a Chilean and Pinochet got rid of the government officials and political opponents that thrusted my country and family into poverty, I likely wouldn't be too upset about it.

Dumbass.

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Cui bono should also never be the only question to ask, as benefits from an event are never enough to directly implicate one with an action. If it is only asked who benefits from something and other factors are not taken into account, ridiculous conclusions can be extrapolated.

Take the following example:
In a judicial system where Oliver North can take the blame for the Contra Conspiracy, asking who gains might be the only question you have.
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Old 03-10-2021, 06:37 PM
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This is basically why nobody plays on red.
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Old 03-10-2021, 06:39 PM
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You shouldn't try to morally justify extrajudicial killings and widespread torture by an authoritarian dictator, even if you're some kind of fringe libertarian the ends don't justify the means.
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Old 03-10-2021, 06:40 PM
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This is basically why nobody plays on red.
Likely nobody plays on Red for the same reason a good majority of people don't play on WoW PvP servers.

Lack of self control.

People who have nothing better to do with their lives and/or happen to have a lot of time will eventually hit the highest tier and will no longer have opponent so for fun, they go to fuck with low level characters.

Said low level characters get tired of it, and quit.

Congratulations, your PvP server now has a population of 50.
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Old 03-10-2021, 06:51 PM
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You shouldn't try to morally justify extrajudicial killings and widespread torture by an authoritarian dictator, even if you're some kind of fringe libertarian the ends don't justify the means.
Okay Marvel enthusiast, I'm sure if you were a Russian during the Soviet era, or Chinese right now, you would be so totally against a military leader overthrowing your government and making it economically prosperous.

It sounds to me, literally, like the ends justified the means. Chile was better off for it.

It's obvious to me you don't study history or understand human nature, so even trying to explain to you why removing your opponents from the equation might be the only possible way to achieve a positive victory would be pointless.
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Old 03-10-2021, 06:52 PM
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If I were a Chilean and Pinochet got rid of the government officials and political opponents that thrusted my country and family into poverty, I likely wouldn't be too upset about it.

Dumbass.
Unless some of your family were the ones tossed out of helicopters, or tortured to death in a soccer stadium, I guess.

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