So who wants to see the potential teams?

[Millburn]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That isn't really item loot then. It's just people carrying around cash in the form of gems to buy themselves out of losing items. No actual "items" change hands and you're essentially building a system with the intention of it being exploited.

That's exactly the point though.

You're allowing people to still use powerful items but at the cost of being worth more money on each death. It also still allows for you to fuck up and forget to update your coin items and drop something you don't want to drop.

It makes sense.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Millburn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's exactly the point though.

You're allowing people to still use powerful items but at the cost of being worth more money on each death. It also still allows for you to fuck up and forget to update your coin items and drop something you don't want to drop.

It makes sense.

Why not simplify the whole process, including the coding of it to buying a 1 charge potion that gives you an undispellable/removable buff that persists through death and makes it so you don't drop items at the cost of X platinum then? Maybe make it purchasable with tokens from PVP kills only?

[Lowlife]

Originally Posted by Millburn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just to summarize my thoughts on the Asheron's Call style item loot.

DROPPED Items : 1-5
LOOTABLE Items: 1

What items drop?: First one to five items with the highest VENDOR SELL VALUE.

Reason?: Allows for people to still use powerful items but at a cost of increasing their passive coin drop, also at the risk of slipping up and dropping actual items. This keeps PVP impactful and fruitful.

WARNING - Below example does not use proper item values, made up for science!
Example: Millburn has on his body three powerful items he has looted along his adventures which he does not want to lose. These items are a Fungi, a FBSS, and a Sweet ass Broom of Trilon.

Fungi sells to vendor for 400pp
FBSS sells to vendor for 300pp
Broom of Trilon sells to vendor for 500pp

To make sure he doesn't drop any of these items, Millburn always carries around 3 stacks of gems with him, each stack sells to a vendor for at least 501pp so that when he dies, the three items up for grabs from his corpse are these stacks of gems.

ooh the Darktide system, go on..

[SamwiseRed]

item loot gonna turn me back to the old me.

I will grief.

[Lowlife]

I like it. Darktide was gangsta.

Now implement some DaOC shit and we're onto the perfect game...

[Lowlife]

Because the Millburn/Darktide system doesn't gimp melees and you still have the potential to loot a fungi

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Lowlife [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because the Millburn system doesn't gimp melees and you still have the potential to loot a fungi

Except that melees still do not have the option to PVP ungeared like casters, so you're adding a potentially large money sink to melees which are already more expensive to gear.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with his system, but I think if you boil it down to what it is, you're buying yourself out of getting items looted. Just simplify the whole process.

Maybe make a potion/charged item that is class specific and melees pay less?

[Vexenu]

Item loot = literally half the server rolls Druids and Wizards and port around naked looking for easy ganks. The other half of the server zone plugs instantly when PvP that isn't overwhelmingly in their favor goes down. Server is more dead than Red within months.

To be blunt, "for science" is a stupid fucking attitude. I get that it's nilbog's box to play with, but that doesn't make it any less stupid. It's like if Wal-Mart ran a special where half the customers got their items for free and the other half got stabbed in the face by the cashier. Who the fuck is gonna shop there?

If nilbog wants a Teams server with item loot, that's his prerogative, but any type of item loot is going to turn away a ton of potential players right off the bat. The server would only reach a fraction of its potential. It seems very short-sighted to go to the trouble of making a new server only to cripple it with item loot, which is one of the most universally unpopular features in EQ. There is a reason that item loot debuted on RZ but was never implemented on the later PvP servers. It's just about the worst feature possible in a game that is all about acquiring gear.

Imagine if one of your items was randomly deleted each time you died in PvE? Would anyone clamor to play on that ruleset? Of course not. It would be fucking retarded.

And it's no less stupid to lose items in PvP. All it does is encourage extremely lame tactics and running away. Item loot turns a PvP server into a gank and run server.

[Lowlife]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Item loot = literally half the server rolls Druids and Wizards and port around naked looking for easy ganks. The other half of the server zone plugs instantly when PvP that isn't overwhelmingly in their favor goes down. Server is more dead than Red within months.

To be blunt, "for science" is a stupid fucking attitude. I get that it's nilbog's box to play with, but that doesn't make it any less stupid. It's like if Wal-Mart ran a special where half the customers got their items for free and the other half got stabbed in the face by the cashier. Who the fuck is gonna shop there?

If nilbog wants a Teams server with item loot, that's his prerogative, but any type of item loot is going to turn away a ton of potential players right off the bat. The server would only reach a fraction of its potential. It seems very short-sighted to go to the trouble of making a new server only to cripple it with item loot, which is one of the most universally unpopular features in EQ. There is a reason that item loot debuted on RZ but was never implemented on the later PvP servers. It's just about the worst feature possible in a game that is all about acquiring gear.

Imagine if one of your items was randomly deleted each time you died in PvE? Would anyone clamor to play on that ruleset? Of course not. It would be fucking retarded.

And it's no less stupid to lose items in PvP. All it does is encourage extremely lame tactics and running away. Item loot turns a PvP server into a gank and run server.

Truth.

[SamwiseRed]

guess i am coming to the realization there will never be another sz server [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] this makes me sad but fuck it man. shit sucks but at least well have a new box. i am more excited about item loot than teams now since teams will probably be a frankstein shit fest in the name of science.

all of your manastone and fungi will belong to me.