Project 1999 Pantheon Pledge Drive!

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by impact [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I for one am tired of supporting games before they are even finished. It's total B.S. Games should not be even for sale until they are finished, polished, working correctly, full games. More and more we see this, buy the game before it's finished B.S. NOPE. Finish the game, I will take a look at it, and if it interests me THEN I will support the fucking game. Don't ask me to support some game that I have no idea what it will be like, and I may end up hating it. Why would anyone do that? Derp a herp a

Games cost money to make. If you want games you enjoy playing to be made, vote with your dollars. Particularly independently funded games. For example, Tim Schafer and Doublefine productions made a great game that was almost entirely crowdsource funded via Kickstarter - they made a game their fans wanted to see, something they weren't able to do without that resource. The game was pitched to multiple publishing companies who turned it down. It would have never been made if not for Kickstarter.

It would be nice to see Pantheon get enough funding to not have to bring on a publisher or investors. It doesn't look like that's going to happen (although if the KS starts picking up - and we've seen it happen in the past with other projects - maybe they won't need to) but that doesn't mean those publishers/investors they bring on will change the goal of the project.

Any outside funding they bring in is only going to sign on with the knowledge of the kind of game Visionary is trying to make. As in, a challenging, social MMO bringing aspects of classic MMORPG's like EQ up to date with modern technology and systems. While I agree with everyone's sentiments about big $$ brought in from the outside screwing up games, I firmly believe that in this case, with this clear of a goal, and specifically with such a niche target audience, a publisher isn't going to veer the entire project off course to reach a wider group of people.

That's assuming they even have to take a publisher, and aren't able to do it with investors/crowdfunding instead. Generate enough interest with the Kickstarter, and you won't need a publisher. Anytime someone sees 'hey, a ton of people just paid almost a million bucks for a game that won't even be made for another 3 years', that's going to pique their interest.

TL;dr, support crowdfunded projects, especially ones that are targeted for your play-style like Pantheon is.


Also, please do not turn this into a flame thread. If I have to start pruning posts that should be in RnF, I'm going to start banning forum accounts as well. Go to RnF if you'd like to talk shit please. You can make your own thread and everything.

and a HUGE THANK YOU to everyone who has donated to Pantheon so far!! I was looking at their donate list this morning and a TON of you have already signed on! Keep it up!

[phacemeltar]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The game was pitched to multiple publishing companies who turned it down.

sad state of the world. yay capitalism

[Aeolwind]

Originally Posted by phacemeltar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

sad state of the world. yay capitalism

Kickstarter is actually the epitome of capitalism. Seeking & finding investors. There are companies started every day with private citizen's funds.

The consumer is always right. Whether they pay in advance, or in arrears.

[Sektor]

I donated 300 but there is no way I could show you guys I donated it. Need help pals.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Aeolwind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kickstarter is actually the epitome of capitalism. Seeking & finding investors. There are companies started every day with private citizen's funds.

The consumer is always right. Whether they pay in advance, or in arrears.

Meehh, the epitome of capitalism would be an exchange of capital for equity, not goods.

[Renem]

All the folks threatening to leave over this.
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[Mehrk]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TL;dr, support crowdfunded projects, especially ones that are targeted for your play-style like Pantheon is.

Not good advice. In fact you should never donate money to something with so little information about it unless you are loaded. 60$? Ok, sure, if you really think it through beforehand. Something no one has done by this point as they are still releasing information - important information, mind you - about the game daily, meaning everyone who donates before the KS is about over is retarded or gullible. 5k? Hell no. Give your money away for something you may like, but probably won't because in the end it will either become vaporware or the developer is going to get ramrodded by a publisher and end up turning their game into slop? 800k isn't likely enough to make the game, it's just bait for potential investors to show that their game may be worth making. Investors that will shove their proverbial D up Brad's literal A. I respect and love the fact that they aren't intending on making another cloned themepark but there are hundreds of MMOs that aren't WoW clones that also ended up sucking. If you fund a game based on that alone you'd be broke.

Simple fact is you can't assume it's going to be the best game ever because of who is making it. Using the tag line of "From the guy who made EQ!" is about as helpful as ".... and also Vanguard." is hurtful. Vanguard wasn't complete shit, but it was more or less unplayable for people who weren't very selective and obsessive about their games. I think I saw like 30 people in the 5 hours I spent playing the game on launch day before I quit. Needless to say loads of issues aside from population. That is what investing in something gets you most of the time. I pre-ordered thinking OMFG THE REAL EQ2 HAS COME and only played it for 1 or 2 days before I uninstalled along with 2 friends who were equally upset. Tried again like 2 years later and it was somehow even more quiet. After a few days of grinding I felt like I would never have anyone to play with so just said F it.

I wish Pantheon's team the best and hope they succeed in "the real EQ2" as much as anyone. I just don't see how it should affect individual donors in a major way. I think most people would have been totally fine with global bonuses like a few events with minor bonuses for donors. Minor. Not incredibly OP regen items that you have practically no chance of ever being able to buy (with plat, anyway. Apparently dollars works.) or an entire week to do removed/difficult quests and farm items with little competition in velious.

Bribing people into donating, which you are, even if you say it's a raffle or reward or incentive or whatever you want to call it.. it's just wrong.

[Leeyuuduu]

Originally Posted by impact [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I for one am tired of supporting games before they are even finished. It's total B.S. Games should not be even for sale until they are finished, polished, working correctly, full games. More and more we see this, buy the game before it's finished B.S. NOPE. Finish the game, I will take a look at it, and if it interests me THEN I will support the fucking game. Don't ask me to support some game that I have no idea what it will be like, and I may end up hating it. Why would anyone do that? Derp a herp a

I think it really depends.

If the game is coming from a major company, then yes, it's just a way to milk more cash and it's really despicable to see major companies breaking up games into little pieces and selling each piece individually for retarded prices, when all that content should really just be in one finished and polished package.

But times are hard for non-mainstream games who refuse to be "everything to everyone" because it's almost impossible for them to attract any official funding and even if they do publishers will shove a whole list of demands down their throats.

The kickstarter way of doing things may not be ideal but if these indie developers didn't have the option of crowd-funding then what you would see is just more DLC/RMT whoring games, not less.

[Nirgon]

Just got up and drank an xp pot. Breakfast of champions. Lot of pnutbutthurt and jelly here.

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

I'm curious as to why the tiers listed in regards to Project 1999 incentives or rewards are not aligned with the Pantheon crowdsourcing tiers. They use $1,000 and $3,000, then straight to $10,000 yet here is is $1,000 to $5,000. Why not make that last tier a $3,000 tier also, with the rewards being the same?