I thought players were supposed to play what they wanted to play...

[Loadsamoney]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

NO THEY DON't. They never have; they never will. This is absolutely FALSE.

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IF YOU ARE NOT WITH ME, THEN YOU ARE MY ENEMY!

[sox7d]

Originally Posted by utenan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

don't just assume that a hybrid will take up more exp either - "Race/Class combos with no penalty but who are 6 levels higher than you nerf your xp more than the hybrid who is the same level as you in most cases" - group with hybrids that are lower than you, or people with the same total exp in general, and it's not even a problem

This is a point that isn't brought up nearly enough.

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by sox7d [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"How one thinks the game should be played" has nothing to do with it. If you're in a game where the only thing keeping someone from playing for an ~hour stretch of sitting on their ass bored is that you want a tiny bit of experience, you're selfish aka an asshole.

And don't give me the "They're not mean, they just derive fun from efficiency!" bullshit. No. Everyone wants to be efficient. They probably won't leave the group for a better class to replace themselves for the sole purpose of it making the group more efficient. The derive fun from efficiency for their own self-interest, often at the expense of others given the scarcity and often unsoloable nature of the game. They'd rather see someone unable to play than sacrifice a tiny bit of experience, that's what makes them an asshole, but you can call that a "play style" if you'd like.

"And don't give me the "They're not mean, they just derive fun from efficiency!" bullshit." Why exactly is this bullshit? That's exactly what it is for me. I'm a min/max'er and that's part of the fun of the game for me. I couldn't possibly care less if you like it or not. I would've preferred to make my shaman an iksar but I went troll cause JBB is really important to my class imo. Others think I'm insane cause the appearance of their character and what they think looks better is more important to them. More power to them but that's not what's important to me. Guess I'm an asshole [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me ask you this. If your group already has a cleric and there's a cleric LFG nearby are you an asshole for not wanting 2 clerics in your group? Clerics can't solo well man! Obviously you're a dick if you don't invite every class that can't solo to your group whenever they're LFG in your area right?


TL;DR "You view/play the game differently than I do. Hence you are an asshole" - sox7d

[iruinedyourday]

I think this thread illustrates perfectly the myriad of personality disorders that make grouping in a social online fantasy roleplaying game, a little difficult. bravo pras etc.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Let me ask you this. If your group already has a cleric and there's a cleric LFG nearby are you an asshole for not wanting 2 clerics in your group? Clerics can't solo well man! Obviously you're a dick if you don't invite every class that can't solo to your group whenever they're LFG in your area right?


TL;DR "You view/play the game differently than I do. Hence you are an asshole" - sox7d

I've been that lfg cleric who got invited to a group that already had a cleric. A bit puzzling, I'll admit, but turned out to be quite a fun group both times it happened. In my experience EQ is quite amazingly fun to play when you unclench a bit.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've been that lfg cleric who got invited to a group that already had a cleric. A bit puzzling, I'll admit, but turned out to be quite a fun group both times it happened. In my experience EQ is quite amazingly fun to play when you unclench a bit.

yea man what if in lguk, thats a bawse addition to a group :P one cleric becomes the highest dps in the group outa nowhere heh

[Loadsamoney]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yea man what if in lguk, thats a bawse addition to a group :P one cleric becomes the highest dps in the group outa nowhere heh

A Paladin becomes quite the beast down there too, especially one with Ghoulbane.

[sox7d]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"And don't give me the "They're not mean, they just derive fun from efficiency!" bullshit." Why exactly is this bullshit? That's exactly what it is for me. I'm a min/max'er and that's part of the fun of the game for me. I couldn't possibly care less if you like it or not. I would've preferred to make my shaman an iksar but I went troll cause JBB is really important to my class imo. Others think I'm insane cause the appearance of their character and what they think looks better is more important to them. More power to them but that's not what's important to me. Guess I'm an asshole [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me ask you this. If your group already has a cleric and there's a cleric LFG nearby are you an asshole for not wanting 2 clerics in your group? Clerics can't solo well man! Obviously you're a dick if you don't invite every class that can't solo to your group whenever they're LFG in your area right?


TL;DR "You view/play the game differently than I do. Hence you are an asshole" - sox7d

My point was that there isn't a dichotomy of "I just like altruism" and "I just like efficiency." Liking efficiency doesn't make one an asshole. Being altruistic doesn't make one hate efficiency. And in all the cases stated earlier, it's due to efficiency in one's own favor, not efficiency for the sake of efficiency.

If that were the case, say you have a group of a warrior, a cleric, a monk, a rogue, an enchanter and a necromancer. They see an epic'd rogue call LFG. The "efficient-minded" necro would say "I'd love to get more exp but I'm going to leave so you guys can get that rogue. It will make this camp more efficient."

That shit doesn't happen.

Meanwhile, lets say you have a group of a warrior, cleric and a monk. The monk has a fungi and volunteers to take hits whenever above 80% health to benefit from his fungi's regen. He's an iksar for the armor bonus and regen. He shares his shrunken goblin skull earring with the warrior for the extra atk and puts on strength jewelry over his HP/AC gear since he's not typically tanking. He's ran parsers with several different weapons to find out which combination is optimal and he pays off an enchanter ever half hour to visit the group for haste and clarity. They're holding the camp fine but not absolutely shredding through it. Meanwhile, a ShadowKnight has been LFG for the last 45 minutes. The monk invites them because they hate to see people sitting on their ass when they could give another human being the opportunity to play the game with them. They value efficiency and altruism. They're non-exclusive. (Then the warrior berserks while the shadowknight tanks for more dps.)

And yeah, I typically do invite every class to my groups if they can't solo. My rule of thumb is after 2-3 LFG calls I bring em over.

[iruinedyourday]

whatever happened to the, 'hey guys wana xp with me in Gorge of King Xorbb tonight?' threads? I bet people who play wat they wana play are welcome in that group.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"And don't give me the "They're not mean, they just derive fun from efficiency!" bullshit." Why exactly is this bullshit? That's exactly what it is for me. I'm a min/max'er and that's part of the fun of the game for me. I couldn't possibly care less if you like it or not. I would've preferred to make my shaman an iksar but I went troll cause JBB is really important to my class imo. Others think I'm insane cause the appearance of their character and what they think looks better is more important to them. More power to them but that's not what's important to me. Guess I'm an asshole [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me ask you this. If your group already has a cleric and there's a cleric LFG nearby are you an asshole for not wanting 2 clerics in your group? Clerics can't solo well man! Obviously you're a dick if you don't invite every class that can't solo to your group whenever they're LFG in your area right?


TL;DR "You view/play the game differently than I do. Hence you are an asshole" - sox7d

Non ogre min maxing shaman? Bro do you even frontal stun immunity ?