Public Raid Petitions: P99 Freedom of Information Act

[Nuktari]

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[Juntsie]

Juntsie tink dis proposal incredibly unwise, not classic, and create burden on GM. It not classic cuz raid dispute on project 1999 taken too seriously by people wit big neckbeard, up to point where artificial procedure allegedly needed to control neckbeard population and keep peace.

Raider forget dat GM graciously volunteer time, and should not be expected to review voluminous materials to render perfect ruling. Raid not matter so much that dere should be petitions, briefing, public posting, and loads of other boring written crap to sift through in effort to render just ruling. Ruling should be made with minimal effort based on simple undisputed facts, preferably in-game, like on classic. If raider disagree over ruling, dey go farm more tings for 6th alt and cry river of eternal sorrow.

Juntsie always thought dat putting all mobs on equitable rotation with no class distinction best resolution to raid problems. If player want competition, go bash on red, where no silly rules exist, other than bash best, which is good, predictable rule. Dis not purely classic, but it much more classic than current raid drama. Juntsie tink it fitting dat he see beautiful raid screenshot of red playas actually bashing down to Trakanon. Cause single tear of joy.

Regardless, Juntsie advise OP to set boundaries between professional training and online bashing. It lead to more fruitful, enjoyable endeavors.

[Frieza_Prexus]

This has already been addressed, Juntsie. Classicness has no bearing on how the GM makes his decisions outside of the game. Additionally, this lowers, by a HUGE margin, the amount of work required by all parties. After tens, if not hundreds, of total man hours all of the same evidence is eventually produced, but it's initially held back as sides try to extort and our play each other.

The dirty, not-so-secret, truth of this server is that few people in the end game are interested in justice and fair play. The end game has always been a farce of using the system to punish the other guy with no regard for the actual spirit of the rules. It's always "what can we stick them with this time?" When the question should be "how do we make this game more fun?"

People say they want fewer rules because that would make the game more fun, but we've seen P99 Lord of the Flies and the Laissez-faire environment is anything but for all but the ruling elite. Players will always abuse the system we have until the ability to do so is removed for their hands.

[Argh]

I think the easiest solution would be for people to stop petitioning every time they lose. Admit the fact that you lost and move on.

[Psionide]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This has already been addressed, Juntsie. Classicness has no bearing on how the GM makes his decisions outside of the game. Additionally, this lowers, by a HUGE margin, the amount of work required by all parties. After tens, if not hundreds, of total man hours all of the same evidence is eventually produced, but it's initially held back as sides try to extort and our play each other.

The dirty, not-so-secret, truth of this server is that few people in the end game are interested in justice and fair play. The end game has always been a farce of using the system to punish the other guy with no regard for the actual spirit of the rules. It's always "what can we stick them with this time?" When the question should be "how do we make this game more fun?"

People say they want fewer rules because that would make the game more fun, but we've seen P99 Lord of the Flies and the Laissez-faire environment is anything but for all but the ruling elite. Players will always abuse the system we have until the ability to do so is removed for their hands.

Here here!

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Juntsie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Juntsie always thought dat putting all mobs on equitable rotation with no class distinction best resolution to raid problems. If player want competition, go bash on red, where no silly rules exist, other than bash best, which is good, predictable rule. Dis not purely classic, but it much more classic than current raid drama. Juntsie tink it fitting dat he see beautiful raid screenshot of red playas actually bashing down to Trakanon. Cause single tear of joy.

Enforcing a rotation on blue and telling the players who want competition to move to red is an eminently reasonable solution. I enjoyed my bit of time on the red server, although I'm playing blue mostly still as my friends are on blue. I wonder why the staff is so opposed to this.

[quido]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Enforcing a rotation on blue and telling the players who want competition to move to red is an eminently reasonable solution. I enjoyed my bit of time on the red server, although I'm playing blue mostly still as my friends are on blue. I wonder why the staff is so opposed to this.

The fact that most people don't want to deal with grief central PvP would be one reason I think.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The dirty, not-so-secret, truth of this server is that few people in the end game are interested in justice and fair play. The end game has always been a farce of using the system to punish the other guy with no regard for the actual spirit of the rules. It's always "what can we stick them with this time?" When the question should be "how do we make this game more fun?"

Class C problems. The reality is 90% of the server would have more fun with rotations. There wouldn't be all this back and forth bickering and all the time-consuming problems could be solved with a calendar. 90% of the server is interested in fair play, it's the 10% that create this problem and are not at all interested in fair play. Pretty sure public petitions will just force your class to figure out other ways to game the system.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Class C problems. The reality is 90% of the server would have more fun with rotations. There wouldn't be all this back and forth bickering and all the time-consuming problems could be solved with a calendar. 90% of the server is interested in fair play, it's the 10% that create this problem and are not at all interested in fair play. Pretty sure public petitions will just force your class to figure out other ways to game the system.

If the staff chooses to implement rotations then, yes, much of this is moot. However, they have not done so; we must acknowledge the reality of the situation.

You say that we'd just "figure out other ways to game the system." That's how it's supposed to work; when a loophole is abused, it is closed. It's poor argument to say we shouldnt make A better because B might be abused. Progress has to start somewhere. Things have never been better here, honestly. There are fewer incidents overall, and low end guilds have meaningful participation in raid content. That doesn't mean we should stop trying.

[Dizey]

Didn't read the whole thread, but sounds like petitions will just turn into a "who has the best spin team" match.