Apologies, Red.

[orran]

Originally Posted by Feanol [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For God's Sake.

Holocaust is a just a word.

obvious bigot

[Feanol]

I'm going to start a guild called <Famine> and see how long it takes for the Irish server population to force me into renaming it.


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[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Feanol [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For God's Sake.

Holocaust is a just a word.



And an excellent name for a PvP guild at that.

This situation is akin to making a guild named <Genocide> then having a bunch of Armenian players get pissy with you.

I understand the staff's reasoning for the change but I for one will miss typing "Holo in zone."

=/

Can't really agree with this sentiment. All words are "just words". But they can be used to hurt and insult and tear people down. If the word Holocaust was meant in a general sense for the guild, maybe they should have taken specific references to nazis a little more seriously and cleaned up their ranks themselves.

Bottom line,there are many words that had been used for decades or even centuries without having a negative connotation, yet have been used as derogatory terms in recent history and labeled as unsuitable for general use. A little common sense goes a long way.

[Pikrib]

Originally Posted by orran [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

clearly ive done my homework and you havent. what do you think your great grand parents would think of you supporting neo nazism in the present.

Alright HB i'm probably getting trolled here but someone told me that you weren't actually born Jewish.

Is this true?

[dontbanpls]

What about if that word represents the community and makes you look like a shit bag just for playing here is it ok to be offended then? i don't want to have to tell people that i played on a server with a guild named holocaust that routinely brought nazi culture to the community.

[Feanol]

I understand that cultural definitions have superseded the actual definitions of words.

The mental jumps that people make from a legitimate, accredited word are subjective. Unlike the word, which is totally objective.

I know I'm not putting out a popular opinion here, but I still feel the need to defend not the word "Holocaust" specifically but any word that has a meaning superimposed upon it by historical association. That's just not good science and it robs us of vocabulary which is the primary tool we have to express our minds to one another.

Here's a Holocaust in the making: Iraq Body Count. A lot more recent too.

You don't see people going around removing the words "United States Military" from all public view. It just goes to show how personal and amorphous these kinds of word taboos are.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Feanol [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand that cultural definitions have superseded the actual definitions of words.

The mental jumps that people make from a legitimate, accredited word are subjective. Unlike the word, which is totally objective.

I know I'm not putting out a popular opinion here, but I still feel the need to defend not the word "Holocaust" specifically but any word that has a meaning superimposed upon it by historical association. That's just not good science and it robs us of vocabulary which is the primary tool we have to express our minds to one another.

Here's a Holocaust in the making: Iraq Body Count. A lot more recent too.

You don't see people going around removing the words "United States Military" from all public view. It just goes to show how personal and amorphous these kinds of word taboos are.

I agree to a point. But just based on the actions of the members of Holocaust, its clear that it was not used in the general sense. Even I at first that was the intent, it seems to have become a running joke for many in the guild that it is a word closely associated with Nazis. I can see the point of allowing the name if there were some good faith on the part of leadership and members to make sure that didn't happen.

[orran]

The guild Holocaust has been offensive since day one, I remember gongshow used to post pictures of starving jews with no body fat in concentration camps and used to laugh at them on here before they got banned in classic.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by orran [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The guild Holocaust has been offensive since day one, I remember gongshow used to post pictures of starving jews with no body fat in concentration camps and used to laugh at them on here before they got banned in classic.

Above poster was in holocaust

[Tassador]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Above poster was in holocaust

Only as a spy for a 16 year old elf sim man you're sick that you do not know the difference!