Classic EQ and Luclin Models

[Bheart]

Originally Posted by firesyde424 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never understood this sentiment. I ran into it for the first time about 4 years ago when I figured out that with some work, you could use the SoD client on p99 which would give you access to luclin models. The thread rapidly sank into a degenerate nerd-trash slapping match. It was funny for a while. Then I started getting tells in game.

Listen, I get it. We play, FOR FREE, on someone else's server. We play at their whim. Fine. What I don't get is all the nerd rage over this. The stuff about exploits is all semantic. Some of those exploits have been around for a decade and aren't any better or worse than the stuff you can exploit with the classic models.

Why do people get so worked up over something that has a miniscule to zero effect on anyone else's gameplay? No one reading this forum has any idea what models I am currently using. How I appear to you in game depends entirely on what you have loaded. So why the butt hurt?

It's human instinct - we see the same thing happen in politics.

People believe that they are always right and rejoice when laws are created in their favor - even if it is at the expense of another's freedom.

However the time comes when a law affects their own freedom (and it most certainly will), they will complain that their rights are being infringed upon.

Yes it's their server.... yes it's classic... but classic does not always mean it's the fun or right thing to do (see spellbook medding, classic UI, etc.)

[myxomatosii]

Originally Posted by captnamazing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

THEY CAME FOR CASINOS

AND I GAVE A FUCK
BECAUSE THAT WAS CLA$$IC

My blackjack game was legit.

[Tiewon Shu]

Originally Posted by Bheart [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's human instinct - we see the same thing happen in politics.

People believe that they are always right and rejoice when laws are created in their favor - even if it is at the expense of another's freedom.

However the time comes when a law affects their own freedom (and it most certainly will), they will complain that their rights are being infringed upon.

Yes it's their server.... yes it's classic... but classic does not always mean it's the fun or right thing to do (see spellbook medding, classic UI, etc.)

^^ This

[Haynar]

Here is a developer's reply.

How about we start banning for hacking models, maps, because they can be altered to give an unfair advantage?

Do you think enforcing models revolved around someone "liking luclin better"???

You don't like classic models? They are in the spirit of the server. Sorry.

You wanna blame someone for it going in, when there are plenty of things to work on?

Red Server is over there. ====>

The whining is enough to make me push disabling the mouse scroll wheel next patch.

Get over it. You want luclin models? EQLive is F2P. Go whine there.

..... boy, I am sassy today. Heh.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here is a developer's reply.

How about we start banning for hacking models, maps, because they can be altered to give an unfair advantage?

Do you think enforcing models revolved around someone "liking luclin better"???

You don't like classic models? They are in the spirit of the server. Sorry.

You wanna blame someone for it going in, when there are plenty of things to work on?

Red Server is over there. ====>

The whining is enough to make me push disabling the mouse scroll wheel next patch.

Get over it. You want luclin models? EQLive is F2P. Go whine there.

..... boy, I am sassy today. Heh.

All hail High Priest Haynar wielder of sass!

Yes, please, thank you. You are my hero.

[Daldaen]

PLEASE NERF SCROLL WHEEL.

It gives players so much power being able to get into 3rd person and look around corners so easily. Nerfing it will bring classic much closer. Oh the immersion levels will be so high.

[tristantio]

I'd still like to see book medding added in (or a perma-blind effect while under level 35 and meditate is active, which would be pretty equivalent, if they could layer the spell book on top of the blind effect).

Historically, we should have to click a /meditate button anyways, so maybe spell book could remain as it is, but *not* auto activate meditate. Then when /med is performed, mana is regenned at the increased rate, but blind effect is applied.

[Tiewon Shu]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here is a developer's reply.

How about we start banning for hacking models, maps, because they can be altered to give an unfair advantage?

Do you think enforcing models revolved around someone "liking luclin better"???

You don't like classic models? They are in the spirit of the server. Sorry.

You wanna blame someone for it going in, when there are plenty of things to work on?

Red Server is over there. ====>

The whining is enough to make me push disabling the mouse scroll wheel next patch.

Get over it. You want luclin models? EQLive is F2P. Go whine there.

..... boy, I am sassy today. Heh.

Meaning no disrespect Haynar, your work is appreciated.

However, I wasn't whining, but asking a legitimate question:

"If you are going to add custom content later (after Velious) in the "spirit of EQ," how is that classic? And how is that different than allowing Luclin graphics? How would the Luclin graphics ruin the spirit of EQ as a suggested "custom content," where as a new zone/item/monster would not?"

My entire OP was questioning how you determine what is classic and what is not? I was using Luclin models as a base example of something that is not classic, but really does not diminish the spirit of classic EQ.

In addition, development has also stated they would be adding "custom content" after Velious in the form of zones and such. Which leads me to my original inquiry, "How is adding custom content never seen in EQ 1999 - 2001 live deemed "classic and in the spirit of the server," but character alternate models which are part of the original client are not?"

[Tiewon Shu]

Also, if Red Server was the cause of Luclin Models being disabled, why not just make a check when logging on Red? Why punish Blue?

[dafier]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How about we start banning for hacking models, maps, because they can be altered to give an unfair advantage?

Haynar,

PM with a "How to".

Thanksssssss.

Seriously, is this OK? Because this makes me believe that people are doing this without consequence.