Any good guides for GINA? - Page 12

dekova · #1 10-19-2019, 02:47 PM

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This sounds extremely classic

And a huge pain in the ass. Java Swing wasn't exactly awesome sauce, and they were three or four incompatible versions of java running around with different compilers having the ability to use different assets. It worked though.

Vexenu · #2 10-19-2019, 02:49 PM

Can anyone produce a classic screenshot of a log reader feeding real-time data into an overlay UI? Or a forum post from 1999-2000 referencing such? Post it if you got it, otherwise stop claiming such things are classic. Log parsing (which is definitely classic) is simply not in the same universe as real-time log reading software that renders data into a UI.

And for the record, I don't think that guy is dumb. I think he - along with many others - is being intentionally disingenuous about GINA because he doesn't want to give up the advantage it provides him.

BlackBellamy · #3 10-21-2019, 01:03 PM

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Log parsing (which is definitely classic) is simply not in the same universe as real-time log reading software that renders data into a UI.

You know what IS classic? Dll injection. So if I produce screenshots of people in 2000 sucking data from their client they were never meant to see, would you support me in bringing back that functionality?

dekova · #4 10-21-2019, 01:15 PM

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You know what IS classic? Dll injection. So if I produce screenshots of people in 2000 sucking data from their client they were never meant to see, would you support me in bringing back that functionality?

Log reading has never been against the rules of the game. DLL injection or playing with the game's memory space has always been a banable offense.

And you wouldn't be "bringing it back", I'm pretty sure there are people still doing it.

dekova · #5 10-19-2019, 02:53 PM

I don't think anyone is going to be able to provide a screenshot, I certainly can't. But you're making it sound like reading a log file and creating a timer is something that we just now have the technology to do. That's simply not true. The only hard part was that EverQuest took over your computer. That's why I needed to use two.

Maybe I could have figured out an overlay if I spent enough time with it, but as an IT guy I had extra computers and it was just easier to do it that way.

kylok · #6 10-19-2019, 02:57 PM

Just to clarify out of curiosity - was your parser giving you data in real time?

dekova · #7 10-19-2019, 03:04 PM

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Just to clarify out of curiosity - was your parser giving you data in real time?

Yes, it started as a way for me to manage my mezzes and it did that accurately. There were occasional lockups, but I blame that on the shity state of java and swing at the time and not on any kind of log issue.

Edit: thinking back on it, it's probably not fair to blame the occasional issue on java, more my shity skills at the time.

Baler · #8 10-19-2019, 02:58 PM

To the nay sayers. You're also obligated to find proof that, in your words, it wasn't classic.

If you demand proof from us you must also present proof.

Just because you say it wasn't doesn't mean it's true. Two way street.

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Mblake81 · #9 10-19-2019, 03:11 PM

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To the nay sayers. You're also obligated to find proof that, in your words, it wasn't classic.

Hard to do, I can't find a screenshot with one running or a picture of a guy running two computers with information being fed to the second to display results. Wasn't able to locate any forum posts.

If you have some positive proof it would be nice to see it to put this to rest.

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Seems like this all checks out - only difference I can see beyond programming sophistication is running EQ in a window and dragging the parser on top of it. GINA-like programs confirmed classic until evidence is presented to prove otherwise.

Hearsay doesn't confirm classic.

Vexenu · #10 10-19-2019, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To the nay sayers. You're also obligated to find proof that, in your words, it wasn't classic.

If you demand proof from us you must also present proof.

Just because you say it wasn't doesn't mean it's true. Two way street.

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It's who ever yells the loudest that gets the most attention.
People will turn a blind eye to the truth in favor of feelings and emotion.

People in this thread are making a positive claim, namely that real-time log readers with UI elements were classic. A positive claim needs evidence to support it. Otherwise the negative claim (that such a thing did not exist) is the reasonable conclusion.

There are thousands upon thousands of old screenshots and forum posts that have provided all sorts of data for this project's recreation of the classic EQ experience. Finding evidence of UI elements and real-time log readers should be fairly easy if such things existed, because in the former case they would be clearly visible in screenshots, and in the latter they would inevitably be mentioned in forum discussions.