List Integrity

[Crovax]

Originally Posted by lituviel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So to make it clear I am Masterize and I actually engaged the mob to clear the drama 20 minutes after arriving and understanding the situation.

Odd. I remember Minimio (who is still here) and Bellezza (Also still here) being the ones that offered to help which I accepted. When we starting fighting then yes, you stayed for the first fight against the PH. Then wanted me to thank you afterwards.

You could see the situation pretty clear here. I will attach a screen shot of the chat in case you forgot.

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Originally Posted by lituviel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Crovax who was waiting FD and not doing anything for more than 2Hours didn't even bother accept group, did not bother answer my messages and not even a thank when we killed his PH.

Yeah. After Grakken tried to train me the first time and then a monk shows up. Yeah I stayed FD until there were people there to see what is going on. And incase you try to gaslight and pretend you didn't know what happened you reference you are going to do 3 petitions (there was only 2 of you, 1 including Grakken) and you said you were going to post on the forums (You didn't, Grakken did).

Originally Posted by lituviel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To me it is still logic that you want to claim an Item you have to be able to solo the camp. Specially in this case.

Show me a rule that states this.

Originally Posted by lituviel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you can't solo it and REQUIRE help of others than you should be able to share the loot with a roll, like anything else.
Or this rule need to be stated by a GM or someone I don't know.

This isn't a rule. This is your opinion. Players are not governed by your opinions.

Originally Posted by lituviel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I ended up helping because it makes sense to restart the rotation for the sake of the server, and it was a succesfull move. Even if now grakken is still not helping and I understand his position.

This would make sense if you decide to help and started fighting. You didn't. We have Minimio and Bellezza to thank for that.

Originally Posted by lituviel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're here about to help each other and have fun.

Sure after your attempt to bully didn't work. After your threat of three petitions didn't work. And after your posting in the forums didn't work. Then after people show up to help that made your bully tactics not work then yeah. After all that you seemed ready to help each other and have fun, lol.

Originally Posted by lituviel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To me an adjustement is necessary, I'm not sure if a timer is a good choice on mob spawn with a boot of the list in the end.
A dedicated rule (as many other on the server... ) should do it since people are again abusing system.

You seem to think using the /list section as intended is abuse. It's not. I would agree this camp does need to be adjusted though but for entirely different reasons.

[lituviel]

Originally Posted by Crovax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This would make sense if you decide to help and started fighting. You didn't. We have Minimio and Bellezza to thank for that.

Nope, you were FD'ed in the back we started grouping, we were grouped with them, you didn't even bother accepting the invite.

Panoramix and I engaged the PH.

However you don't show screeshot of following conversation. There's a reason to it.

We ended up helping you to get this started and taking your side and you still put me down.
Whatever, stupidity.

[WaffleztheAndal]

So if it’s working as intended that Crovax shows up to a camp he can’t handle and is still entitled to the next manastone that drops, this is really just manastone welfare/charity. I never thought I’d say this, but man Red seems attractive about now.

[Rooj]

Originally Posted by WaffleztheAndal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So if it’s working as intended that Crovax shows up to a camp he can’t handle and is still entitled to the next manastone that drops, this is really just manastone welfare/charity. I never thought I’d say this, but man Red seems attractive about now.

How many people have shown up thus far being unable to solo the camp? There is almost always people there, there is almost always no reason to solo it. The sad part is, even in THIS situation, there still was no reason to solo it because the player in question was NOT alone at the camp.

[nicemace]

Did you read the initial information? It's always been the case and is very clear. Do not confuse list with camp.

It's pretty much under the understanding that people shouldn't be dicks to each other. If there is a list, there is a group capable of killing the mob. Don't be dicks, no problemo.

[Cuktus]

Waiting 18 hours+ to have your group die and then have people claim "sucks to be you, /quit loser" is just insane to me. Ya know, all that time, just poof, its gone? It seems fairly reasonable to me to expect there are going to be enough people at any give them to delete EE without much issue, yeah?

That said, "Help yourself, help /list 1" is also pretty crazy. Why should I help someone who shouldn't be here? If you can't handle the mob, you can't handle the mob. No killing, no looting, leave. This ain't your loot.

Writing this out, what's fair, what ain't, I think I have made up my mind. The server is for a "Classic Experience", yes? In classic, were people more friendly/helpful/less greedy (in general) or were people more solo minded/self minded? If we think friendly, then everyone needs to help kill /list mobs. If we thinking folks were more about solo, then start booting people from /list if the mob stays up too long.

Just my 2cp.

[Enme]

Enme/Harms

Wow just wow. How about some kindness to others?
I couldn't even /list since the reset is broken and I couldn't bring myself to just log and leave a stranger in a situation where he couldn't solo a mob. I had no idea the situation would result in someone choosing to bully Fate instead of helping.

Life is filled with these decisions. Choose better

[Man0warr]

From an outside observer, seems like Grakken/Masterize are huge douchebags who realized they could bully the #1 off the List to get their own manastone quicker.

[E-Queue]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From an outside observer, seems like Grakken/Masterize are huge douchebags who realized they could bully the #1 off the List to get their own manastone quicker.

[lituviel]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=340978

Originally Posted by Hyjalx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2. To add insult to injury, we have players who couldn't normally hold down these camps, holding down these camps. Further adding to the que.

Example. A level 25 warrior had Jboot camp, but couldnt get in the door, and couldnt kill Rathyl. The camp was held for several hours without the PH ever being killed. Most players under 30 would struggle holding down that room solo.

So this sounds fair enough too ?
We have same case, different position.