Enchanter charm isn't classic, we all know this

[mycoolrausch]

Originally Posted by bwe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a huge find

It even indirectly supports the idea that enchanter charm is OP on p99. If nobody here even remembers not using invis breaks in classic they weren't charm XPing, probably because charm sucked? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[strawman]

Originally Posted by mycoolrausch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It even indirectly supports the idea that enchanter charm is OP on p99. If nobody here even remembers not using invis breaks in classic they weren't charm XPing, probably because charm sucked? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No it doesn't, you'd just spend a little more mana to break with dispel instead of invis

[strawman]

Originally Posted by kul69 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this thread has revealed magic resist rate is off

There was one 1999 post of an enchanter complaining that Chaotic Feedback resists a lot, which is a stun resist check, not magic resist. That doesn't "reveal that magic resist rate is off"

[Deliverator]

I literally started charming sirens in oot at 16 on live 3 weeks into kunark. Then aviaks in SK and at Arena entrance in lake rathe. I was soloing with charm on an enchanter in 2000...

[Wurl]

I want to make sure everyone saw two EXTREMELY important posts on earlier pages.. these both align with my memories of classic, and thoroughly explain why charming was not used back then.

1. CHARMED PETS COULD NOT BE CONTROLLED
https://web.archive.org/web/20000510...ils&type=races

--Submited by: Anatsia On: 07/08/1999 10:51:37 AM
I am what one would call a newbie? Nahh... level 19 ehchanter
charm is a great spell fighting orcs anywhere in Norrath.
For example go to a camp where there are three orcs or even two.
Charm the orc that is the closet to you and run to the orc and let him
hit you just once. Since you can not control your pet the pet or charmed
enemy is just there to protect you. He will have no choice but to help you fight.
Make sure you tell your party your charming because if you at charm and your party does not know
they will try to kill him and he wont die. The enemy is now your pet you can not have two pets so whatch out
do not charm when you have a pet already.
Then sit back and watch eachother fight until he is dead from the other enemy or when he breaks the spell
this is the so cool when ur are in a train or have more than u can handle

2. INVIS DID NOT BREAK CHARM

Originally Posted by blanks77 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In official patch notes why does it say "Charm is immediately removed from charmed NPC's when the character that charmed them casts invisibility"

Were enchanter not able to break charm with invis prior to this time?

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/hist...es-2002-1.html

[Dolalin]

Originally Posted by Wurl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I want to make sure everyone saw two EXTREMELY important posts on earlier pages.. these both align with my memories of classic, and thoroughly explain why charming was not used back then.

1. CHARMED PETS COULD NOT BE CONTROLLED
https://web.archive.org/web/20000510...ils&type=races


2. INVIS DID NOT BREAK CHARM

There seems to have been a bug around Enchanter charmed pets and /pet commands, sometimes they just wouldn't obey. But usually they did.

12/8/99

Charmed beings are SUPPOSED to act like other caster pets and follow the
same commands. I've noticed most of the time they work properly but
occasionally you'll charm something that aspires to be an Enchanter Pet
(ie.. they won't attack unless you're attacked first)

The majority of my charms worked fine but I would occasionally have this
charmed nasty following me around like a lost puppy dog. Of course once
the charm broke it was more than willing to attack something =)

Antheus

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt....w/MUjBZ_tfTdEJ

[fadetree]

#we'renotclassic

[Juntsie]

Juntsie emerge from long slumber and review da record. Herein document post by BWE prove dat chanta charm NOT CLASSIC.

Juntsie hereby move for da remedial CLASSIC ACTION.

[Ligma]

I never really cared about how OP they were until that green naggy kill, that SINGLE imp protector who didnt break once the entire engage and did half the raid dps triggered the fuck out of me lol

With tash, malo, junk buffs and a whole group to coordinate charm on discord. No one coordinated in that way back in the day. In that sense, yes it's not classic.

[byzah]

Eye witness evidence counts as evidence in criminal trials - so here's some more.

I played an enchanter in Classic - Kunark & used charm extensively but mostly as a backup spell. It was fantastic in Unrest in the 20s as a CC spell to deal with mez breaks. Mez breaks were very common back then as few players knew how to assist...

(Lv12 Charm had a 2.0s cast time...later versions are slower, so harder to get off when you're getting pounded & of course mobs hit harder even with stuns).

I recall Inviz *did* break Charm (just as it causes permanent pets to suicide).

Charm was also useful situationally when close to a zone line [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We didn't know tricks like tashing the charm pet [though I tashed all mobs after mez] or giving the charm pet -MR items [assuming that even works on p1999 as it does on Live now].

I think the biggest difference is that today the ENTIRE TEAM works to support the charm strategy. Mages & Shamans are ready to malo. Tanks/rangers are ready to taunt (only). Necros will toss in a Screaming Terror...healers will heal you. You will actually be HP buffed.

All changes from "back in the day" where teamwork was much less effective.

Back then, I never received hp buffs from clerics (or thought to ask for them) until high levels and when I later switched mains to cleric, I recall watching an enchanter die in PoN as he was extensively using charm and I had no idea why he was being so reckless...

(I did feel sorry for him after rezzing him back in and even blew a pearl on a DI spell)