Good fix Nilbog, but how about making this playable now?

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're both welcome to continue making this the hill you die on ... or you could both accept that the staff is unlikely to change their mind, and devote your energies to improving the raid scene in other ways.

It seems pretty clear those are your options at this point.

You're asking a lot. I agree though. And you should definitely ask.

[Bbeta]

Originally Posted by tylercanuck [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm convinced Loramin doesn't even raid based on his Magelo profile.

the most vocal usually dont

[remen]

You know what else isn't classic? 150+ overgeared players killing 1 dragon. So don't tell me this set of rules has created a server with a classic feel.

[Endonde]

Some people just need to come to the understanding that the server will never feel like Classic, we can't erase all the knowledge we have about the game from our minds. So this dream of recreating the experience of classic Everquest is impossible.

As far as rooted dragons go, I remember guilds pulling dragons to trips hall specifically so I think that they shouldn't have been rooted and maybe should have been leashed instead, but I don't think the staff cares. Seems like they just wanted to reduce the number of petitions they were receiving each week and it looks like it succeeded so we're probably stuck with it.

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by Endonde [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some people just need to come to the understanding that the server will never feel like Classic, we can't erase all the knowledge we have about the game from our minds. So this dream of recreating the experience of classic Everquest is impossible.

As far as rooted dragons go, I remember guilds pulling dragons to trips hall specifically so I think that they shouldn't have been rooted and maybe should have been leashed instead, but I don't think the staff cares. Seems like they just wanted to reduce the number of petitions they were receiving each week and it looks like it succeeded so we're probably stuck with it.

honestly we should just punish the idiots punchin the clocks and get on with it

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by Endonde [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some people just need to come to the understanding that the server will never feel like Classic, we can't erase all the knowledge we have about the game from our minds. So this dream of recreating the experience of classic Everquest is impossible.

As far as rooted dragons go, I remember guilds pulling dragons to trips hall specifically so I think that they shouldn't have been rooted and maybe should have been leashed instead, but I don't think the staff cares. Seems like they just wanted to reduce the number of petitions they were receiving each week and it looks like it succeeded so we're probably stuck with it.

Leashing might be in the future, we will see. I think you are 50% correct about the petitions. The other part was no one could prove that Dragons were pulled to the zone. There was some heresay that they were, I think one guy said he seen it happen but didn't see if that was post Luclin or not.

But the elf lawyer meme at least partially came from all of this. Petition war to see who broke which of the 3,256 different raid rules so they could forum gloat and get 'free pixels'... etc etc etc.

Rants & Flames might have died though. People enjoy their drama. Drama is fine but I would prefer to skip elf lawyer and PetitionQuest with this guild or that guild getting suspended over retardation. Don't know if that is possible or not yet, would require a shift in player culture I would think.

[Clearmind]

Originally Posted by remen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know what else isn't classic? 150+ overgeared players killing 1 dragon. So don't tell me this set of rules has created a server with a classic feel.

Limit raid groups to like 60 and make it some what if a challenge.

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by Clearmind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Limit raid groups to like 60 and make it some what if a challenge.

So you gonna make unclassic rules on how many can raid?

-that was an argument brought up last time this was discussed. Your idea isn't new. However we are dealing with the new dynamic that "nothing on this server is classic so who cares what is classic or not??"

I would say Nilbog/Rogean do. They were probably tired of being jerked back and forth like all developers who interact with their players. I can't blame them when it goes on for years.. the very real thing that P99 players have advanced beyond what was capable of players in era.

Yeah, you could have a 60 limit that wasn't enforced via Felwite & Erudin level Elflawyering with restrictions and punishments that all are 'not classic' because it was self regulating at the time. No one had to bother. Dragons in NToV were not a problem because so few could do it at the time. This reality can never be escaped on P99.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by tylercanuck [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm convinced Loramin doesn't even raid based on his Magelo profile.

I don't (I used to, but not at an "AA" level).

Regardless, you don't have to raid in order to be tired of people (many of whom have been here awhile, and should know better) ignoring the upper-left corner of their screen. This place is about classic, and if you want to use "X existed on at least one server prior to Luclin's launch" as your measure of whether something is classic ... well, then, rotations were classic also.

Let the rotations begin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[loramin]

Originally Posted by tyrant49333 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Loramin you don't even raid why are you arguing about rooted dragons rofl

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you don't have to raid in order to be tired of people (many of whom have been here awhile, and should know better) ignoring the upper-left corner of their screen.

Anyone who's been here awhile knows that I feel rotations would benefit Blue. But when I've made the "radical" suggestion ... that once in awhile anyone besides the armies of AA alts should get to see Lady Vox ... I get dogpiled on by the "hardcore raiders" about how "unclassic" that would be. Those same people, in thread after thread (again, this is like #567 on the topic), are blatantly ignoring the exact same argument they used to shut down rotations (that most servers in classic didn't have them for most of the time) ... as they beg for an unclassic exploit to be returned.

But look, if you go back to page one, I didn't start this off by telling Hyjal to go fuck himself. To the contrary, I said I respect him and what he's done for the server. My point was ... Hyjal and others have been here awhile. They should know (without me telling them) how pointless it is to beg for an unclassic exploit to be restored. So what I was saying wasn't "fuck you, you're wrong", it was "instead of begging for an unclassic exploit that you should know will never be restored ... why not do something actually beneficial with your time?"

Instead of fighting against the devs and their goal for this whole place (because last I checked, R&N aren't going to waiver on this whole "classic EverQuest" thing), why not try and work with them and dream up ideas to make this place better?