WTF is going on.

[Maximus]

I think we are veering off topic when we go backtracking to game mechanic defects that have been previously stated (Phinny, Mayong, numerous raid bosses for both guilds. bleh bleh)
At the same time, we are also veering offtopic when we move in the other direction and mention the use of cheats (Ie. third party software, macroquest, showeq, TIKI).
If we can get past Otto's claims and finger pointing about how bad Transcedence is and has been, past Goobles relentless statements of the obvious guild drama, thru Karsten's Divine Shield of Truth, and left of Hasbinbad's ridiculous waste of time, we can finally get back on topic.
I am not seeing any consistency in the punishment guidelines. I am not rationally understanding how GMs are determining a mob belongs to someone and under what basis. when one follows the rules by the book and gets the shaft, it leaves room for questioning.
And i can look past the numerous suspicious events that happen in favor of IB (Dragons being popped on the day hate came out, with patches stating that dragons would never be popped because of a patch). i don't care. Im having too much fun playing this game to let this worry me.
I just want fair judgement by the GM staff when it comes to punishment of broken rules.

Mythoxxus

[Segoris]

Durr, never mind. By the things I couldn't possibly explain from IB would be your knack for showing up in a zone within about 15 minutes before it pops or so. It happened and it's a very suspicious coincidence. Most recently it happened on this last CT spawn when you entered the zone, saw Trans killed the golems and would have right to any spawn that may have happened, left the zone, then came back about 2 hours later right before he spawned. That stuff doesn't get reported but looks suspicious. Actions like members using "mistelling" that a spawn will be up in an exact amount of time (I forget who has that screenshot, and will ask around for it). That gets reported and life goes on.
Part of me wants to say things like that are just someone messing around, but when fighting for mobs and someone seems to know exactly when every mob spawns along with that mistell how would you look upon it?

[Segoris]

Originally Posted by President [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There was only one place in your post where you mentioned "can't be explained" in reference to IB, and an IB member is asking you to clarify. Put 2 and 2 together...

Yeah I got it and then work beckoned, hence the delay on my response.

[pirscuered]

Meh, i'll quote it....


"But I've also seen some shit from IB that couldn't be explained in any other way but to suspect cheating."

edit: wow that was quick....

[karsten]

you do know that both rangers and druids have track, right satsui? just putting that out there


mythoxxus, i'll refer back to one of my previous posts basically highlighting the fact that A: you guys try to split hairs on rules instead of trying to be a better guild and B: you don't even know the rules and have, for example, called 30 minute timers on YOUR OWN GUILD. I'm all for having uniformity in terms of GM actions, but don't try and once again pull the "we're the only people who play by the rules" when it's been demonstrated that you don't.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If we can get past Otto's claims and finger pointing about how bad Transcedence is and has been, past Goobles relentless statements of the obvious guild drama, thru Karsten's Divine Shield of Truth, and left of Hasbinbad's ridiculous waste of time

That's right Trannyscendence, ignore everything but your own agenda, (badly) attempt to mock those who disagree with you (srsly, you can't even mock GOOBLES decently??), weather the little slaps on wrists you get for your wicked ways, and whine until papa GM pops mobz for you.

This is why you're a joke.

[pirscuered]

But.. in all honesty. only one post in this entire thing made me really think. There are two other guilds that are just about ready to break in, so... what's the solution? I don't know why most of you joined EQ, but I actually thought most of you wanted to join a game where social interaction is suggested and people are playing together and working together, unlike some other mmorpg where all people do is solo to end game and then go ape**** whenever someone wipes a raid.

When I first started, people were going out of their way to help each other. People inspect each other and pass on what they could. It was a nice community, and then end-game happened. All of a sudden, people are attacking each other and the entire server's about who training who. I remember being in a group recently and someone tried to train me because I joined a group where one of the members trained them earlier. Albeit unsuccessful, it's just completely dumb, and it makes you a hypocrite. I won't even go into the 4 page paper that I got in tells to try to secure his point and justify how horrible my group member was as a human being because he ran to zone a few times and said some things. Who should I believe?... the group that contrinually tried to necro train me or the person he's complaining about, my RL cousin whom I've known to never even use words such as the ones he's quoted... but that's in the past.

Back to topic: We're about to have at least 5 guilds who are going to share 4 raid spots, maybe more. Is there really no better way to do this? Does each guild have to go into the week thinking that they must raid 4-5 days a week? Moreso, is it nearly impossible that in a scenario like this, where new raids and epic quests are starting to come out, that we can't all just rotate around? I understand that racing could be fun, but EVERYONE sees things through some weird colored glasses that somehow benefits only them; and everyone else is crap. guild(s) will completely ignore the pure facts and argue until their faces turn blue and all we end up getting is this: "I WAS HERE FIRST AND YOU KS-ED ME," "NO, I WAS HERE FIRST, I got 15 to your 14, look at my screenshot!" "No, this person died.." WHO CARES??

It really came down to one thing: someone's greedy. I've seen xp groups calling camps when the entire group is at ZI of a zone. It's the same deal. Everyone wants to win so badly that they completely forgot the idea of common courtesy. It starts with one group being completely unable to budge, and it snowfalls all the way to this. I guess this will continue to go on until the Developments/ etc. decided to "pick up the ball and go home."

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Transcendence was not notified by any secondary guild of 30 minute timers, and infact, called our 30 minutes IN SHOUT in order to inform other guilds present of our intentions.

I guess i'll quote my initial post. this was just done as an informative gesture to the other guilds, rather than playing the guessing game. we are aware of the rules Karsten.

Mythoxxus

[Segoris]

Originally Posted by karsten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you do know that both rangers and druids have track, right satsui? just putting that out there

I'm very well aware of that karsten, and it wouldn't solve the situations I've seen. In fact I'd say I've seen more IB trackers around then any other guild and give credit to their efforts, but it still doesn't explain situations of zoning in 15 mins before a spawn in a mostly cleared zone after leaving the zone a while beforehand.

[karsten]

you also called your own 30 minutes on nagafen after leapfrogging trannies, so, I'll offer to eat a 14 day ban for something you think i was a part of if you'll offer to eat one for breaking the rules too, sound good mytho?

satsui we had a tracker in there, we went back in when he said ct had popped, nothing really crazy or weird to explain