Is Seal Team going to wake the sleeper?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by TomisFeline [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

to summarize:

to wake is to intentionally deny others of content
for the sake of denying them of content
in a niche community

don't know how this isn't cut and dry a 'dick move'. if you are having trouble seeing how it is, consider looking inwardly and asking yourself: 'If I met me, would I like me?'

furthermore, actively bashing loramin for contributing to the legacy of p99, (via the wiki), while your own contribution to this monumental project is being a vessel of pixel lust, is irony incarnate.

It's no surprise those advocating for waking the sleeper as 'not being a dick move' also bash someone for contributing to a group project in his own way. It reflects a self serving mindset and/or a mindset that seeks to exonerate self serving actions.

it's not too late to learn to cooperate with others in life. a rising tide raises all boats. if you contributed 1/10 what Loramin has via the wiki you would also have randos coming to your defenses.

Again, if you consider waking Sleeper a dick move, then you are calling the Dev's dicks for removing all other legacy items. There is no difference between the two besides which party removes the item: Players or Devs. Sleeper is just a player controlled legacy item removal, rather than the standard fixed timeline removal.

Also, by your logic, keeping Sleeper sleeping is a dick move for priest classes, because essence lens is a better item than the priest loot from Warders. Whether you wake Sleeper or not, you are denying content to players.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, if you consider waking Sleeper a dick move, then you are calling the Dev's dicks for removing all other legacy items. There is no difference between the two besides which party removes the item: Players or Devs.

You're not that stupid, and you 100% understand there is a (very large and meaningful) difference between those two things. When you argue in bad faith with weak and transparently false claims, all you do is make my argument stronger.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're not that stupid, and you 100% understand there is a (very large and meaningful) difference between those two things. When you argue in bad faith with weak and transparently false claims, all you do is make my argument stronger.

Just saying "there is a difference" is not showing what the difference is. What is it?[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Both situations are removing legacy items. There is literally no difference between the two besides who does it. The logic is honestly very simple. And again, keeping sleeper sleeping is denying Essence Lens, so either way is loot denial.

You can't just keep saying my arguments are "in bad faith", "weak and transparent", etc. without providing a reason for that. It doesn't make your argument stronger to just insult my argument with no reasoning behind it. So far you haven't been able to counter what I have been saying.

[loramin]

You're honestly going to tell me you can't see a difference between a computer program doing something that it's been programmed to, and humans doing something because of their own agency?

Really?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're honestly going to tell me you can't see a difference between a computer program doing something that it's been programmed to, and humans doing something because of their own agency?

Really?

I am a professional programmer. Computer programs are programmed by humans. A computer program action is simply automated human will. I am asking you to be consistent. If you think legacy item removal is a dick move, you are calling the Dev's dicks too.

[Tethler]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am a professional programmer. Computer programs are programmed by humans. A computer program action is simply automated human will. I am asking you to be consistent. If you think legacy item removal is a dick move, you are calling the Dev's dicks too.

The devs are following an explicit fixed timeline. Players waking the sleeper is optional.

One of those will happen, the other probably will happen, but doesn't have to.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Tethler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The devs are following an explicit fixed timeline. Players waking the sleeper is optional.

One of those will happen, the other probably will happen, but doesn't have to.

The Dev's are not required to follow that timeline, they have agency over their actions. Same with the players.

[Tethler]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Dev's are not required to follow that timeline

It's the literal purpose of this project. While it's true they could change it, it's a dumb argument because them going by the timeline is the stated goal of this project. They are working within their self-imposed limitations for a reason.

Also, intent plays a part. The devs aren't doing it to be spiteful. Players certainly are though. Hence the "dick move".

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Tethler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's the literal purpose of this project. While it's true they could change it, it's a dumb argument because them going by the timeline is the stated goal of this project. They are working within their self-imposed limitations for a reason.

Also, intent plays a part. The devs aren't doing it to be spiteful. Players certainly are though. Hence the "dick move".

You are being inconsistent again. If your logic is P99 must follow the classic timeline, waking sleeper is the intended result. You can't have it both ways hehe. That means waking Sleeper is the intended result, and thus simply another legacy item removal.

[Tethler]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are being inconsistent again. If your logic is P99 must follow the classic timeline, waking sleeper is the intended result. You can't have it both ways hehe. That means waking Sleeper is the intended result, and thus simply another legacy item removal.

Nah, I'm not being inconsistent. The devs and the players are two separate groups with two separate goals. They don't have to follow the same logic.

Waking the sleeper is 100% optional.

The server could finish the timeline and roll into blue (or whatever ends up happening) with a still sleeping Kerafyrm. There is nothing that requires this event to take place.