Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yup. That's one factor which makes the necromancer nice--feign/rez is really good for maintaining presence in contested areas.

Per the rest of your post, normally I agree but we're already in oddball land because of the arbitrary "only casters as primary characters" rule the thread started with. Valid enough to say that someone out of this group is likely switching to a monk alt if they go down to fungus king because realistically someone probably would.

Danth

Lol agreed, I haven't seen too many Necromancer pullers at Fungi King. Not to say they couldn't do it, but Monk/SK is generally preferred.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can we get an epic mage with pet focus to post some parses and shut this moron up please?

You don’t need an epic mage to make the point. My 60 water pet (unfocused - I have no staff) and nukes alone with c2 will demonstrate the point.

Parses incoming in a bit. It’ll show you what we already know. Mages are quite good at making things dead.

[Troxx]

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Bear in mind that things get weird when you combine fights. Actual dps levels for everyone involved (scaled or otherwise) are below actual real time values parsed.

I have highlighted myself and my 60 water pet unfocused.

Xeff: high level sk well geared; engaged first always
Grandmaster: 60 monk with tunare's fist of tunare and priceless velium wraps 15/20
Konober and Kekab: epic mage pet from another epic. I can only guess he didn't mask it or keep it hasted like it should have been.

Comparatively Ailowen + unfocused 60 water pet is the highlighted above.

See the monk's time engaged and you can see why he was below the SK and lower than me to such a degree; he spent a lot of time not engaged. What you can see is that mage dps is very good. This parse undervalues on the combine by a good 30% as my parse system is not perfect.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Bear in mind that things get weird when you combine fights. Actual dps levels for everyone involved (scaled or otherwise) are below actual real time values parsed.

I have highlighted myself and my 60 water pet unfocused.

Xeff: high level sk well geared; engaged first always
Grandmaster: 60 monk with tunare's fist of tunare and priceless velium wraps 15/20
Konober and Kekab: epic mage pet from another epic. I can only guess he didn't mask it or keep it hasted like it should have been.

Comparatively Ailowen + unfocused 60 water pet is the highlighted above.

See the monk's time engaged and you can see why he was below the SK and lower than me to such a degree; he spent a lot of time not engaged. What you can see is that mage dps is very good. This parse undervalues on the combine by a good 30% as my parse system is not perfect.

Thanks for the parse!

Looking at the data I am confused about how you said you were out-DPSing a Charmed pet in a previous post. The Krup Knight did 86 DPS, you did 79 DPS when combining the pet and your nuking. Even if you want to say a heavy nuking session can temporarily out-DPS the 86 DPS, that isn't going to be all the time, and if you Charmed a better pet in a different zone, they would have even higher DPS.

To be clear, the Monk is out-DPSing your pet. If his engage time was higher, his DPS would be higher too. Considering Nukes take mana, you are going to have med time, so your actual DPS isn't going to be a consistent 40 all the time. It will depend on the fight. How much down time do you take for medding due to Nukes?

I don't think anyone has disputed Epic Mage pet does more DPS. The unfortunate thing is it's pretty rare to find Epic Mages, so in most cases you aren't going to have one in your group. That is why I am not really counting that in this discussion. But let's say you are an Epic Mage. That puts your DPS at 104 if we use Kabekab instead.

I parsed a Rogue in Sebilis today, we were duoing. He was doing 133 DPS roughly, just with Rogue Epic and a good offhand, forgot which one exactly.

As I said before, my Shaman can do 34 DPS per target just with two DoTs. If I was applying 3 DoTs to two mobs in a fight, I would be at 96 DPS consistently. With pet I would be at 107 DPS.

I don't see anything special here that makes Mages amazing. Their pet gets out-DPSed by player classes and Charmed Pets. When they Nuke they can double their DPS, but that is mana dependent. A Shaman or Necromancer could certainly out-DPS a Mage over a long play session with their DoTs and having better mana recovery.

[Troxx]

Like i said it gets weird combining parses. They are really far off the mark. I could cherry pick individual fights but thats not fair. I have fights over 180dps and some under 80dps. Just trying to be honest.

ACTUAL DPS depends a lot on the player and if they are paying attention.

What i can say is most of the time ench pet when on target won by far. A few times i beat it.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Bear in mind that things get weird when you combine fights. Actual dps levels for everyone involved (scaled or otherwise) are below actual real time values parsed.

I have highlighted myself and my 60 water pet unfocused.

Xeff: high level sk well geared; engaged first always
Grandmaster: 60 monk with tunare's fist of tunare and priceless velium wraps 15/20
Konober and Kekab: epic mage pet from another epic. I can only guess he didn't mask it or keep it hasted like it should have been.

Comparatively Ailowen + unfocused 60 water pet is the highlighted above.

See the monk's time engaged and you can see why he was below the SK and lower than me to such a degree; he spent a lot of time not engaged. What you can see is that mage dps is very good. This parse undervalues on the combine by a good 30% as my parse system is not perfect.

[Jibartik]

I wish loramins strategy guide spoiled all the neckbeard high end camps instead of the lowbie fun classic magical camps [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Loramin make it focus on all these neckbeard camps so they get all overcrowded and their sploits get nerfed!

[PlsNoBan]

Okay guys I figured it out. I solved the riddle! The best 4 man caster group is: Enc, Enc, Shm, Clr. The shaman has epic and torpor and 100% fully BiS gear with every clicky. The group has 4 rooted mobs to dot in camp at all times and they all live for exactly 1.5 minutes for the best shaman epic click dps efficiency. The cleric logs out between CH's on the charm pets to log in his necro to twitch the shaman so they have more mana to cast bane/pox. Your only other option if you choose not to bring shaman is a naked mage with a cracked staff or an enchanter that never bought charm. Shaman is obviously superior you idiots!

Phew... Thank god solved that mystery!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay guys I figured it out. I solved the riddle! The best 4 man caster group is: Enc, Enc, Shm, Clr. The shaman has epic and torpor and 100% fully BiS gear with every clicky. The group has 4 rooted mobs to dot in camp at all times and they all live for exactly 1.5 minutes for the best shaman epic click dps efficiency. The cleric logs out between CH's on the charm pets to log in his necro to twitch the shaman so they have more mana to cast bane/pox. Your only other option if you choose not to bring shaman is a naked mage with a cracked staff or an enchanter that never bought charm. Shaman is obviously superior you idiots!

Phew... Thank god solved that mystery!

When you can't win with logic and facts, you go with the sarcasm. Come back when you have evidence of a Mage's superiority please. I will gladly take a look.

Remember when I said I was talking about level 60 groups, and that Mage is better than a Shaman in lower levels groups? No, because you don't really read[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[PlsNoBan]

I forgot to mention the mage's keyboard is broken and he's playing with a guitar hero controller on a 56k dial up internet connection and his mom keeps picking up the phone and disconnecting him