Myconid Spore King - Monk Solo

[shovelquest]

It would be cool to see OP try to solo it without consumables.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It would be cool to see OP try to solo it without consumables.

It would require a lot of luck I think to do with no consumables and no outside buffs. Would need to get instant ensare proc to be able to heal up before the roamer repop.

[shovelquest]

*Scoffs

Yeah but can he do it without consumables? Doubt it.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

*Scoffs

Yeah but can he do it without consumables? Doubt it.

Zuranthium posted the link that answers this very question!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

His only comment was on snare duration, so perhaps he stopped watching before the fight started. That's a shame, as the fight is the best part. Don't be like Zuranthium fellow readers. Watch the whole video!

The more I think about the situation, the worse it gets. Zuranthium posts the video of OP doing the fight without consumables, which is what Zuranthium wanted. But Zuranthium can't even praise OP then. He just makes an offhand comment about snare. Why would anyone want to make content for someone like Zuranthium? He isn't even happy when he gets exactly what he wants.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

His only comment was on snare duration, so perhaps he stopped watching before the fight started.

There's something very wrong with your brain. How is commenting on snare lasting so long (aka, for an entire sit-and-heal session plus the entire time it took to kill the king) an indication that someone didn't watch something.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am willing to bet more people agree with the solo artist challenge ruleset than your ruleset. If you want to change that, build your own ruleset

"My" ruleset is already something the majority of people are doing, as that's the actual reality of playing the game solo for them. Which includes the popular solo self-found ruleset. When the typical player asks "what will I be able to do solo with X class when I start on this server", the relevant answer is what they can do without outside buffs and consumables. And plenty of people already approach the solo artist challenges in that way, you're just ignorant about it.

Originally Posted by Tewaz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The funny part is he actually thinks there is a perfect MMO out there where most of his vast and well documented needs are fulfilled.

Clearly there isn't.

Weird shitpost from you, acting like it's strange that people want better game design.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's something very wrong with your brain. How is commenting on snare lasting so long (aka, for an entire sit-and-heal session plus the entire time it took to kill the king) an indication that someone didn't watch something.

Baseless character attacks again. You just look silly. You should have congratulated OP for the kill you were asking for, a kill without potions. You also kept talking about consumables after posting the video, when they were no longer relevant to the thread. Your lack of comment on the relevant parts of the video is strange.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"My" ruleset is already something the majority of people are doing, as that's the actual reality of playing the game solo for them. Which includes the popular solo self-found ruleset. When the typical player asks "what will I be able to do solo with X class when I start on this server", the relevant answer is what they can do without outside buffs and consumables. And plenty of people already approach the solo artist challenges in that way, you're just ignorant about it.

You still haven't shown any evidence that you have done any mob on the solo artist challenge list. OP and myself have shown video evidence.

The ignorance is from yourself, as you didn't seem to read the solo challenge artist page:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

The categories, in descending order of awesomeness:

[S] -> Soloed with self buffs only

[S-] -> Soloed but used strong item clickies

[S*] -> Soloed without pull (or invis pulled)

[S*-] -> Soloed without pull and used strong item clickies

[D] -> Duoed

[D-] -> Duoed but used strong item clickies

[D*] -> Duoed without pull (or invis pulled)

[D*-] -> Duoed without pull and used strong item clickies

[T] -> Trioed

"Clickies"
Strong item clickies include Puppet Strings, Donal's Chestplate of Mourning, Manastone, SoulFire, Reaper of the Dead, Wooly Spider Silk Net, etc., but not shaman potions or stuff like a Shrunken Goblin Skull Earring. Use your judgement, and remember: solo is solo for the purposes of ranks, no matter what you items you use. Pull help is meant to compensate for removal of invis pulls; it doesn't seem fair to penalize people who started on the challenge afterwards. Pull help is only available for Solo God/Duo GM ranks and up, mainly because many of those would be obviously impossible otherwise. Use common sense regarding the amount of help you can get from other players and still consider it a solo kill. In general the idea is that you could zone in and kill the mob on your own. Outside buffs are not permitted for casters; melee can get as many buffs as they like as they are already at a considerable disadvantage. Any kill, even the lowly S*-, will count towards a rank.

Your two complaints in this thread were about buffs and consumables, both of which are already covered in the solo artist challenge wiki page.

Please don't use this logic again, as it applies to yourself as well. There are people who disagree with your opinions on consumables.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah arbitrary, that's exactly your dialogue. You don't set the definitions of things, nor does that random wiki page. There are people who are interested in being able to solo without consumables, get that through your thick head.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The ignorance is from yourself, as you didn't seem to read the solo challenge artist page:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

Keep in mind what it says on the very page you're telling others to read:

The original Solo Artist Challenge was started in this forum thread by Loraen

In other words, there's nothing magical or authoritative about the challenge: it was quite literally created by ordinary players, in this very same forum. I think the time they spent discussing it led to something valuable (which is why I made the wiki page) ... but, you also have to remember: that discussion started in 2012. It not only pre-dates Green ... it predates Velious!

If people want to follow the challenge's rules, I think it's awesome, because I created the page to encourage exactly that. But don't forget that the server has changed a lot since: we have multiple "self-found" guilds now, when there wasn't even a coordinated group of "solo self-founders" back in 2012.

If Zura (or anyone else) thinks there's a better solo standard, maybe they're right and maybe they're wrong ... but the existence of a thirteen-year old thread (copied into the wiki) doesn't invalidate their argument.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You still haven't shown any evidence that you have done any mob on the solo artist challenge list. OP and myself have shown video evidence.

LMAO, as if that's some kind of difficult thing. It's not at all.

You're clearly just perma butthurt that nobody cares about the paltry things you've done, so you feel the need to try and "protect" this thread, while projecting incorrect assumptions, as an extension of wanting to legitimatize yourself. You should stop interfering with discussions and work on your own insecurity. People are allowed to discuss to what degree something should count as "solo" or not. You are not the arbiter of anything.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The ignorance is from yourself, as you didn't seem to read the solo challenge artist page:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

That page does not determine how people play the game, stop repeating yourself and get this through your head. There are many who try to do these challenges (and just play the game in general) without consumables and outside buffs, FACT, and plenty of videos of it out there. Pathetic how you sit there and willfully choose to be ignorant, in order to never budge from your wrong opinion that has been proven wrong over and over, and then try to call someone else ignorant.

And no, it's not an "attack" to call you ignorant. That's simply the fact of what is happening here, seeing as people absolutely do play EQ with just self-buffs and no consumables. Nothing you say will ever change that.

FURTHERMORE, stop acting like you're some benevolent angel and everyone who ever argues with you is a bully. You constantly respond to posts in a goading, misrepresentative way because you don't actually want a conversation, you just want to spam the superficial thoughts in your head. For example, on the very first page of this thread I was talking about how instant cast consumables are bad game design. You took it upon yourself to respond with a bunch of nonsense that totally failed to understand the subject, and then later in the thread claimed I only write such things because I want to denigrate solo art challenges. Unacceptable.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm proud of what I was able to do, and I just wanted to share something cool here.

It's good you shared it, and I was glad you were able to do it without the consumables. Maybe try with just self-buffs at some point. You'll need to get the clicky breastplate heal for that (and probably a couple other equip upgrades? Not sure exactly what you have). Like I was trying to discuss earlier, it will probably require luck of landing the ensnare proc right away.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

solo with self buffs only is not even remotely possible

It might be, someone can just run the numbers on the encounter. Everything in this game can already be determined if it will work or not, based on the DPS/mitigation your character is capable of over a certain period of time vs an NPC. If the math checks out, it will also give you an expected timeframe for how long you'll have to do the pull and land the snare, so you don't need to waste any further time on an attempt if the first part doesn't happen.

[Duik]

However we think EQ should be or what you believe were the developers intentions this is/tries to be a representation of what was released and patched over the months/years. It promises no more or less.

Sscalez, well done. If you good enuf to get a boss down to the point that all that is needed is a few pot clicks or a reaper, you've done better than 90% (dunno, just pulled that number outta my arse) of the current pop.

Zuranthium, It is a fantasy game with magic potions and invisible armor clickable from items for goodness sake. Lighten up buddy, you may blow some kind of (IRL) valve.

[Tewaz]

Zuranthium been shitting up these forums with terrible takes for over a decade. Don't feed the troll.

The funny part is he actually thinks there is a perfect MMO out there where most of his vast and well documented needs are fulfilled.

Does he play that game or post on their forums? Probably not. Does he choose to gatekeep Brad's original vision with an energy only matched by some boomer dressed in revolutionary cosplay and white New Balances on the steps of congress in 2009 crying bout "Income tax isn't in the constitution"?

Yes, yes he does.