Enchanter is #1 solo class? What is this madness

[Potus]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, why have things classic when we can have unclassic easy mode ... and then talk all day about how things were easy in the original (even though they weren't)?

Channeling seems pretty classic to me and like 99% of the people that play here.

A few examples:










But again, go use https://search.eqarchives.org and see for yourself. Dolalin really did an awesome job of the site.

None of this refutes what I said but that is a neat link, thank you.

[greatdane]

Ancient posts from back then are worth just about nothing. Loramin is quoting a post from a guy who says warrior is one of the best soloing classes. These kinds of sources have literally no value whatsoever when it comes to determining what is or isn't classic. People were generally clueless and half of their "knowledge" about the game was pure ignorance and imagination.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by greatdane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ancient posts from back then are worth just about nothing. Loramin is quoting a post from a guy who says warrior is one of the best soloing classes. These kinds of sources have literally no value whatsoever when it comes to determining what is or isn't classic. People were generally clueless and half of their "knowledge" about the game was pure ignorance and imagination.

Warrior 100 % is best soloing class. You find a spot where you can single an xp mob, maybe by using a green to peel it off for you, then you turn on auto attack and afk for 3 mins, hope when you come back it is dead instead of you. Kill the pull assistant green, hit your 4xbandage and sit macro then come back 10 mins later to kill your next barely blue xp mob. Its the best.

[Duik]

Originally Posted by Snaggles;3761267[B

]25 years ago our ISP’s and computers were trash. [/B]Players were younger on average without 25 years of learning/fixating on a game. They didn’t all have a cleric or bot cleric a bud could log into for a click.

EQ people are different these days, regardless of coding. Back then the average person didn’t use charm in groups either. If we could time travel back, outside buying some stock and special cars, I expect we would mostly find OG players (and ourselves) to be dim and soft.

Im interested in this time machine...

Bolded the bold statements i 100% agree with.

Im sure there were exceptions. In before...

[Jimjam]

I definitely was very bad.

However, now I have a level 21 warrior with maxed out sense heading, begging and fishing as well as a few self made pieces of studded armour. I am certain I’m much better at the game now, than when I struggled to make 19 on my shaman before luclin and failed to tailor any studded armour at all.

[Tann]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I definitely was very bad.

However, now I have a level 21 warrior with maxed out sense heading, begging and fishing as well as a few self made pieces of studded armour. I am certain I’m much better at the game now, than when I struggled to make 19 on my shaman before luclin and failed to tailor any studded armour at all.

If this ain't 100% proof of how channeling functioned back in 1999, then I don't know what is.

[loramin]

It's like everyone here forgets we're playing a simulation of another game ... and keeps ignoring the fact that the simulation doesn't match the original.

You can go off on tangents about how "stupid" live people were because some classic posts came from low-level players .... but you can find stupid posts by low-level players here too. We're not all geniuses who somehow "beat EverQuest", we're just players (the exact same as the original live players) who have a bit more accumulated knowledge at our disposal.

But, crucially, none of that accumulated knowledge should completely change the role of just one class, to switch from being a group class to the best solo class in the game! Only the person making the emulator can do that.

[Jimjam]

IDK, Loramine, I think several of us have touched on the fact it is an inaccurate reconstruction / simulation of a game.

Originally Posted by Me

We've had huge revisions to how mage pets work on p99, and we know the ac/atk for NPCs (and so too pets?) is kina borked in a way that attempts to emulate classic feels, but isn't strictly classic, so who knows how classic combat between enc animation pets and xp mobs really is.

In fact, this realising this from the above post is why I degenerated into baseless whimsical nostalgia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by Tann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If this ain't 100% proof of how channeling functioned back in 1999, then I don't know what is.

Thank you.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IDK, Loramine, I think several of us have touched on the fact it is an inaccurate reconstruction / simulation of a game.

In fact, this realising this from the above post is why I degenerated into baseless whimsical nostalgia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]



Thank you.

Sorry, I was only talking to a few people in the thread, and certainly not "everyone", so my use of the word was a bit rhetorical. I should have said something more like "everyone who thinks they are geniuses who are smarter than live players" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Snaggles]

I’m not a genius. I sure know more than I did 25 years ago. I’d love to illustrate how dumb I was 25 years ago but as this is my evolved form…just use your imagination.

By my understanding there are three through-lines of logic here:

1.) The elf sim we pay $0 for is not 100% accurate to the original. There is some evidence to this, like how some mobs are overtuned on p99 (Sontalak) and resists are not nearly as effective (level 60 255Mr vs dragon roar on Faydedar). Loramin is super serious about how Enchanters should be worse so sure, he can have it I guess.

2.) The Bell Curve for performance on p99, Quarm, TAKP, etc is much higher than live 25 years ago. There is some evidence to what we have accomplished at this progression with some non-classic item nerfs or simply the amount of geared/leveled chars we have on average. When you apply heat to something, it refines the final product.

3.). There is a difference of knowledge and technology giving 2025 EQ players a distinct advantage. Duh.

I’m not saying one is true, and others are false. These are all variables at play and outside our control. I’m also dont care if “a class has a distinct advantage” over another (the world isn’t fair) unless we are locked from playing that class by a paywall.

I main a ranger on p99 and despite my many other “better” classes, I would delete them all to keep the one with an inferiority complex. When you aren’t the best, nobody assumes you will be. You have to work harder so there isn’t time to cry about things not being fair. When you do accomplish something remarkable though, you can’t beat that win [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].