Let's keep talking about how Hasbinbad was banned. - Page 12

Hasbinbad · #**111** 08-30-2011, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by EkireiTheNecro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your entire guild spamming "will WILL NOT TOLERATE cheaters.....cheating is unacceptable..." blah blah blah.

We spam no such thing.

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By letting those individuals remain tagged you're simply proving that you're all talk and public image.

Do you pay for your infoz?

purist · #**112** 08-30-2011, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Hasbinbad

We spam no such thing.

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Originally Posted by Xzerion

IB/TR outs their own people when a rule is broken/exploited. They are reported to the Staff even when a suspicion comes up. The rules is something that is taken quite serious by me. Been a couple times I pushed for more severe punishments than what was handed out as well. When I actually had a GM account on the server I banned members of IB for rule issues.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...&postcount=249

Hasbinbad · #**113** 08-30-2011, 04:22 PM

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This has been true since "Rusty Long Swords" training all non-guildmates out of Crushbone to claim camps from themselves; this being the first week the server was open.

Oh wow. The lulz. THE LULZ.

Hasbinbad · #**114** 08-30-2011, 04:24 PM

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Because posting once (or even several times in different places in different contexts) is totally spamming.

You're comand ov teh english languige iz amzing.

EkireiTheNecro · #**115** 08-30-2011, 04:27 PM

You can stop commenting on my use of the word "spamming" and start commenting on how your guild uses more pointless rhetoric than the Obama and Bush Administrations combined.

EkireiTheNecro · #**116** 08-30-2011, 04:29 PM

I'd ***REALLY*** love to know the ratio of TR members : non-TR members suspended....and whether Xzerion was allowed to have a vote in the punishment process.

Who wants to be he's one of the ones who voted AGAINST bans!?!?!?

Anyone!?!?!?

Hagglebaron I see a money-making opportunity here.

G13 · #**117** 08-30-2011, 04:29 PM

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Nevertheless, the argument is somewhat hamstrung by the fact that an officer was suspended, which also makes it more difficult to claim ignorance of the impropriety. However, the fact remains that you cannot control the actions of others and I certainly do not support the idea that one guild or one person should be condemned because they associated with someone who was caught cheating. Could they be be condemend? Sure, it's all contextual. Should the cheaters be condemend: absolutely. But, the son does not inherit the sins of the father, if you will. And, I subscribe to the belief that you need more evidence than mere association in order to condemn.

In all honesty it's not fair to label all of TR cheaters as a result of Perun's actions, but at the same time Xzerion did state that TR/IB does not tolerate cheaters and will report them. So while the regular member is not responsible, their leadership is wouldn't you agree? A lot of their success as a guild can be attributed to Perun. It's like a professional athlete abusing steroids. As one of their monks/trackers/pullers his cheating had a direct effect on the overall success of his guild in terms of competition against competing guilds.

Would you agree that their achievements as a guild have been tarnished by this? If I was a member of TR I would furious at the officer core at the moment. This is a serious breach of trust.

If that's the case, shouldn't the guild as a whole be giving their leadership a vote of no confidence and be looking to replace it?

Appollo · #**118** 08-30-2011, 04:30 PM

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Appollo coming all reasonable and shit.

You like it when I come ... all reasonable.

Also, Ekirei, take a look at my post. I think that may sufficiently refute your argument.

EkireiTheNecro · #**119** 08-30-2011, 04:34 PM

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You like it when I come ... all reasonable.

Also, Ekirei, take a look at my post. I think that may sufficiently refute your argument.

Read your post already pal.

Here's the deal: If you think nobody in TR but the cheaters themselves knew that other were cheating then you're either really stupid, really gullible, or both.

Appollo · #**120** 08-30-2011, 04:37 PM

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In all honesty it's not fair to label all of TR cheaters as a result of Perun's actions, but at the same time Xzerion did state that TR/IB does not tolerate cheaters and will report them. So while the regular member is not responsible, their leadership is wouldn't you agree? A lot of their success as a guild can be attributed to Perun. It's like a professional athlete abusing steroids. As one of their monks/trackers/pullers his cheating had a direct effect on the overall success of his guild in terms of competition against competing guilds.

Would you agree that their achievements as a guild have been tarnished by this? If I was a member of TR I would furious at the officer core at the moment. This is a serious breach of trust.

If that's the case, shouldn't the guild as a whole be giving their leadership a vote of no confidence and be looking to replace it?

You make a good point. Although, I'm not sure. Again, as I mentioned before: it depends on the context. To be sure, Perun was an officer and an integral part of their success. However, no corporation, organization, sports team, or guild in an MMO is successful because of one person. More importantly, did the leadership know? That's something we may never know. Although, I still adhere to the belief that unless I'm given more than mere circumstantial evidence shown through mere association I will not believe that the leadership actually knew.

Does it taint their accomplishments? Yes, to a degree. But, it doesn't eviscerate them. Nor does it take away from the fact that they are a highly successful and skilled guild.

Should they be looking to replace their leadership because of no confidence? I don't know, I have never been in their guild nor do I know their leadership other than through conversation, albiet somewhat in depth. What I do know is that they should replace Perun, but that's something that we all knew and that's something that I think we can say will happen without a doubt. Should they replace the rest of the leadership? That's only something the guild can answer as a whole. But, my belief (for what it's worth given my context) is that it depends on how the leadership handles the current situation. My inclination is to say that they should not be removed. And, I base that conclusion on the fact that you cannot control the actions of others coupled with the fact that Xzerion has proved through the accomplishments of his guild that he is a capable leader.