Raid Mobs up for Grabs

[sedrie.bellamie]

Originally Posted by getsome [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Sat Jun 16 01:53:47 2012] Tassive tells the guild, 'Spell: Greater Vocaration: Air, Spell: Dictate, Spell: Greater Vocaration: Air, Claw of Phara Dar, Crown of Rile, Shield of Elders'

pics or it did not happen

[Nuggie]

Anyone who thinks this isn't going to help server stability has to be insane.

Good play BDA.

[Quizy]

Originally Posted by finalgrunt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just no. You maybe enjoy it when the competition turns into a 24/7 job, but it was never the case on my server (and I know for a fact it wasn't the exception, and few others were the same). And my server was as classic as yours. Now who is out of touch and being whiney here?

A good balance between sharing the fun & pixel and the right touch of competition goes a looong way. Such a hard concept to grasp, I know. All it takes is IB/TR & TMO out of the raid scene to show what EQ was for the rest of us.

Or you can keep thinking EQ was all about griefing, training, cockblocking, poopsocking and cheating to get to the top. Your choice. I feel sorry for you if your server was like this, truly.

I don't believe in training cokcblocking or poopsocking.

I believe in mobilizing for raid targets after they spawn.. which is what TMO does... we do not set 15 people on spawns and wait for them..

Not sure who you are referring to but ALOT of servers including most importanlt Veeshan was COMPETITION For raid mobs..

Sounds like you started playing EQ after LDON and instancing came out.. Im not trying to flame you here im just saying this:

Everyone plays the game different.. we arent BREAKING the RULES playing the way we play.. we just all played competitively in classic and for you to tell me my way is wrong is just as stupid as me calling your playstyle wrong(which i have never done)...

best of luck to you and your playstyle.. mine will NOT change.

[Bruman]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We got Master Yael also. Acyrid got Maestro I heard. I doubt any guilds will be killing Vox/Naggy so they're probably being left for public raids, which I think is fantastic.

It's funny how on live servers, that was the intent of the banishment. On many servers, that's how it was used too - they became the targets for lowbie guilds or pug raids. Here it just means you level an alt =P

[getsome]

Originally Posted by Quizy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't believe in training cokcblocking or poopsocking.

I believe in mobilizing for raid targets after they spawn.. which is what TMO does... we do not set 15 people on spawns and wait for them.

I am confused, I read an uncontested account that the events leading to your raid vacation was started when you and friends put 15 @ noble. Just trying to make sure I was not misinformed.

I may have poor memory in my old age, I remember a guild who in an attempt to compete in kunark began placing an inordinate amount of personal online waiting for spawns. I will not fault them, because the tactic proved successful. Perhaps you just joined a few months ago and are not familiar with how your friends got where they are today. Prior to that, nothing in kunark was socked.

Looked like a healthy turn of events last night.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Quizy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't believe in training cokcblocking or poopsocking.

I believe in mobilizing for raid targets after they spawn.. which is what TMO does... we do not set 15 people on spawns and wait for them..

Not sure who you are referring to but ALOT of servers including most importanlt Veeshan was COMPETITION For raid mobs..

Sounds like you started playing EQ after LDON and instancing came out.. Im not trying to flame you here im just saying this:

Everyone plays the game different.. we arent BREAKING the RULES playing the way we play.. we just all played competitively in classic and for you to tell me my way is wrong is just as stupid as me calling your playstyle wrong(which i have never done)...

best of luck to you and your playstyle.. mine will NOT change.

I'm not one to blame TMO for all the server's woes, but you totally missed the point of Daimadoshi's post. Competition and mobilizing is great but it shouldn't turn into a full time job. Last night there was competition, because every mob respawned at once when the server came back up. We all had advance notice of when the patch was happening, and could therefore get an idea of when it would be finished. Normally when mobs can pop at any time in their insane 96 hour windows, there isn't "competition" in any meaningful sense, because to compete requires spending markedly more time than most casual players have (and also more time than they would have had to spend in classic). I'm not saying rotations are the answer, but rather that casual players WANT to compete, they just can't because the current ruleset encourages anti-competitive behaviour (like poopsocking). If you think it's normal that casual raid guilds get almost no mobs at all on a given week, then you didn't play classic. If you don't think it's normal, then you concede that at least some of what I'm saying has to be right, and that the barriers to competition on this server are unreasonable.

Just to reiterate, I don't think TMO is the evil one here. You guys offered casual guilds free mobs (Gore, Sev, Tal) when you didn't have to and we had some fun times with that. When your suspension is lifted you should consider honouring at least some of Sanluen's post for the benefit of the server.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Quizy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't believe in training cokcblocking or poopsocking.

I believe in mobilizing for raid targets after they spawn.. which is what TMO does... we do not set 15 people on spawns and wait for them..

TMO is great at mobilizing, but I've been in too many poopsock races with TMO to know that this is simply not true. I don't know what the raid scene looked like the last two months, but if TMO hasn't been poopsocking, it's only because no one wants to poopsock with them.

On another note, if TMO really wanted the competition that they always claim to want, it'd probably be in their best interest to leave every mob up until the competition showed up since it's ultimately a FTE race anyway. May as well save everyone's time.

[India]

What it really boils down to is different playstyles. It's an age old argument that has been going on since original EQ. Casuals vs. raiders.

Those that play casually want to raid on "their terms" - in a manner that suits their playstyle

Those that play to raid want to do so on "their terms" - in a manner that suits their playstyle

To say one playstyle is "more right" or "better" than another is bull and everyone knows it, yet everyone continues to argue about it and it's ridiculous.

In that vein, what I am interested in is seeing Nilbogs proposal... will the server now impose set raiding rules that support the casual player base or will those proposed raid rules be fair to both styles of playing?

[Bruman]

Originally Posted by India [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In that vein, what I am interested in is seeing Nilbogs proposal... will the server now impose set raiding rules that support the casual player base or will those proposed raid rules be fair to both styles of playing?

I think we're all interested!

I think "tiers" of raiding would help, so that if you're in VP, old gods are off limits for example, but that's kind of all buggered because of epics! I like to think if it wasn't for that, CT and Inny would be more open.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by getsome [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am confused, I read an uncontested account that the events leading to your raid vacation was started when you and friends put 15 @ noble. Just trying to make sure I was not misinformed.

I may have poor memory in my old age, I remember a guild who in an attempt to compete in kunark began placing an inordinate amount of personal online waiting for spawns. I will not fault them, because the tactic proved successful. Perhaps you just joined a few months ago and are not familiar with how your friends got where they are today. Prior to that, nothing in kunark was socked.

Looked like a healthy turn of events last night.

it was a race to noble spawn im sure even in your old age you remember how the noble cycle works here