And I raaaaaan, I raaaan so far awaaaayyyy

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"BRB GUYS! GONNA GO SOLO PULL CT TO OUR CAMP!"

Like i said, we had someone ready to pick it up after the DT.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like i said, we had someone ready to pick it up after the DT.

really? cause he never even attempted it.

So either you weren't pulling and going for an FTE snipe

or

Your "ready to pick it up guy" was asleep.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Hasbinlulz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why does tmo still need CT?

AoN's duh!

[Autotune]

I'm guessing that your guild wasn't ready and just tried for a snipe and there was no other person (or that person was horrible).

Any pull crew should be on point, calling the DT/FTE coordination and getting shit done.

Basically.

If Sominus was taking a DT for the mystery person to tag, the mystery person should be on the encounter log.

[Eccezan]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please, explain the method he was using to pull CT to your raid.

Seems he got FUCKING DT'd, thus wasn't pulling shit to anything.

this.

Tanthallas, There have been countless rulings where DT removes person from FTE list, why it left the DT'd person on the FTE list here is the real question.

Your argument might be given more validity if there was ANY other FE on the aggro list at all to support any claim to engage/pull to anywhere in the zone.

Unfortunately, you are left with nothing but a poor attempt at an FTE snipe ending up in a DT in full view of a GM. Lets see some more rules lawyer attempts tho!

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[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Question: Assume TMO was not near CT when Scorchin was DT'd. Was it more likely than not that CT would have reset before any puller could have gotten on the aggro list after Scorchin's DT?

In short, had TMO waited ~two more seconds to engage, would Scorchin's aggro have been erased from the kill due to mob reset?

This is irrelevant. The point of FTE is not to speculate on how seconds would have matter to change things, because in most instances FTE comes down to a matter of seconds.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Eccezan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this.

Tanthallas, There have been countless rulings where DT removes person from FTE list, why it left the DT'd person on the FTE list here is the real question.

Your argument might be given more validity if there was ANY other FE on the aggro list at all to support any claim to engage/pull to anywhere in the zone.

Unfortunately, you are left with nothing but a poor attempt at an FTE snipe ending up in a DT in full view of a GM. Lets see some more rules lawyer attempts tho!

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How fucking moronic can you get.

DT removes person from FTE list if the mob resets, of course. The entire basis of this conversation is that the LOGS traditionally used show that CT was NOT reset between when Scorchin pulled and when TMO engaged. This is not an instance of kiting or delaying an engage. Hence Scorchin has FTE - given a raid force which was present - and TMO simply bum rushed CT and killed him regardless.

IF FTE shout was in place, this would be a CLEAR CUT FTE and TMO WOULD NOT HAVE engaged. That is the problem here.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is irrelevant. The point of FTE is not to speculate on how seconds would have matter to change things, because in most instances FTE comes down to a matter of seconds.

i want to see this encounter log with #1 being someone DT'd.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Eccezan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this.

Tanthallas, There have been countless rulings where DT removes person from FTE list, why it left the DT'd person on the FTE list here is the real question.

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

CT, in a normal state, DTs the first person to aggro and goes into seek mode/resets, and starts the zone wide DT timer.

CT then has a second DT (more like super-HT) that he does not always immediate use upon a second person engaging him. CT can melee 1-3 people to death before using this DT.

What can happen:

Person A aggros.
CT DT#1 Person A -> Seek mode
Person B aggros.
Person C aggros.
Person D aggros.
CT DT#2 -> Kills top of aggro list, but two other people are also on the aggro list so he never resets and goes for one of them.

[Tanthallas]

So lets implement FTE shout and watch it do nothing if rulings like this will stand when FTE should is implemented.