Game Mechanics: T-staff proc in PvP

[Smedy]

Item loot on a server where resist is completely bugged and unclassic, on a class where you have zero escapability and channelling skill, ***** please.

I'd be fine with item loot if 80+ mr made me immune to all magic effects, like it was on live, not the case on red99.

[compulsion]

Originally Posted by Tippett [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

shits classic stop crying about it and go farm one and roll a monk if you think its so great

also why the fuck is this thread in bug discussion?

classic mechanics are not bugs

Are you too stupid to even read a half page of information? It isn't a classic mechanic when several people have provided multiple concrete links that the stun is a random duration and not fixed at 12 seconds. Castersrealm links from 2000 exactly describe the effect as a 1-10 second stun. That is classic, not this emu version.

http://web.archive.org/web/200205221...em.asp?Id=1255

This emu version only exists, just like sword of runes proccing 20x as often as normal, because blue players feel better about themselves plowing through content the easy way.

Go back to leveling your next 52.

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think using that leaderboard as any kind of proof is a little silly. I mean if there was a red99 Leaderboard, I doubt even Nizzarr would be top 50 in kills since Kunark. Wizards/Druids would still be on top. Let's face it there just wasnt alot of monks running around SZ. the ones that were there were training the shit out of people so ofc they arent on leaderboard.

if training were legal here, i can imagine there would be at least 1-2 less t staffs do to KC being a fucking nightmare to farm anything. people would be training there all the time, day and night.

You obviously never played SZ or probably any red server. Monks were all over the place because they were such amazing pullers in Velious. Evil team had 2 months and 1300+ people to actively farm KC uninterrupted while neutrals and goods(maybe 600+ players between both factions) tried to level, and yet their monks couldn't get kills in PvP. They got fewer kills than warriors and rogues.

Real training has nothing to do with class. It never fails to run anyone you want into the middle of a raid and have them accept a rez as the mobs come pouring in behind them. FD can be countered.

If you ever actually PvP'd with the 57+ groups, you would know that Nizzar is actually a major factor in the engagements. People ask in TS all the time about which new Nihilum monks have the t-staff. Hell, look at Smedy's sig. Undergeared 53 monk kills best equipped 60s on server with t-staff proc. And that is exactly my point. SZ boards show, with a 3000+ person sample size, that on live, geared monks were ineffective killers. On this emu, fresh 50s in wu's pants wreck shop. Why? Because t-staff here stuns more often and for longer periods, as has been demonstrated with multiple sources cited, than it did in classic.

Originally Posted by Smedy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Item loot on a server where resist is completely bugged and unclassic, on a class where you have zero escapability and channelling skill, ***** please.

I'd be fine with item loot if 80+ mr made me immune to all magic effects, like it was on live, not the case on red99.

Lets keep this to you trying to convince us that t-staff stun should be 18 seconds.

[Smedy]

Originally Posted by compulsion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hell, look at Smedy's sig. Undergeared 53 monk kills best equipped 60s on server with t-staff proc.

Hate to say it, most of my lvl 52 nizzarr kills where with a Master Wu Trance Stick , and then just a fist, lol. The reason nizzarr dies isn't that i have a tstaff, it's that he has zero ability to get away when he gets rooted, resists are fucked, you cannot pumice yourself without channeling skill, no matter how good gear you have as a pure melee you'll get fucked once you get snared/rooted.

Yeah, tstaff is OP, no doubt, but raging like a mongoloid to fix something you can with ease avoid being hit buy while resists are fucked and affects everyone in a bad way is retarded

Fix resists first, then fix tstaff. I was tstaffed on live and can confirm i couldn't get away, however i do believe that the stun effect only lasted a few seconds, while i kept spinning. (this was however in luclin so not sure how legit it would be here).

Who gives a shit, resist is really no#1. Tstaff isn't even close.

Wait until you meet a rogue who has figured out how to use posions on this server, and then get back to me

[compulsion]

Originally Posted by kanras [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=572

First couple quotes from 2001:





http://www.monkly-business.net/forum...5&postcount=51

2002:



Note that the tstaff stun effect *is* the same spell effect used in whirl.

and...

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The spell effect was not nerfed to 1 second. The 2006 post from live has nothing to do with the proc here.

It will randomly break depending on various factors. It's working as intended.

from...

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=31193

All you people claiming the full 12 seconds is classic please let kanras and uthgaard know that they are wrong.

[compulsion]

Originally Posted by Smedy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hate to say it, most of my lvl 52 nizzarr kills where with a Master Wu Trance Stick , and then just a fist, lol. The reason nizzarr dies isn't that i have a tstaff, it's that he has zero ability to get away when he gets rooted, resists are fucked, you cannot pumice yourself without channeling skill, no matter how good gear you have as a pure melee you'll get fucked once you get snared/rooted.

Yeah, tstaff is OP, no doubt, but raging like a mongoloid to fix something you can with ease avoid being hit buy while resists are fucked and affects everyone in a bad way is retarded

Fix resists first, then fix tstaff. I was tstaffed on live and can confirm i couldn't get away, however i do believe that the stun effect only lasted a few seconds, while i kept spinning. (this was however in luclin so not sure how legit it would be here).

Who gives a shit, resist is really no#1. Tstaff isn't even close.

Wait until you meet a rogue who has figured out how to use posions on this server, and then get back to me

The topic of this thread is "t-staff proc in pvp" where you show that said proc should be 18 seconds. It is not "share your thoughts on the resist code".

[Tippett]

T staff classic dudes mad as fuk

Not a bug, keep trying to nerf monks though.

[SamwiseRed]

shits classic, move to resolved plz

[Tavrin]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

shits classic, move to resolved plz

Please provide proof that the current version is classic.

A number of people, myself included, have provided links showing that the current form is not correct. The stun duration should be variable and not fixed.

This is a bug forum, not troll land. Provide evidence to support your assertions.

[Smedy]

who is this comp guy, he seems awfully mad about a weapon he can easily avoid, must be a clicker

[Tippett]

An old ass comment from some bad player 10 years ago isn't proof.

Melees don't need any non classic nerfs now move along.