the i dont care about politics anymore thread

[nostalgiaquest]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah I admit I used some colorful language, however that actually *is* the attitude of many younger women. Once feminism attained it's laudable and justified goals, it kept going and began teaching girls that equality means essentially acting more like men. It says sexual liberation is acting like men, who are often total pigs. Rather than encouraging men to act better, it started encouraging women to act worse. I think it's pretty self evident that that is true, to a large extent anyway. And with that came many more abortions, not to mention single motherhood, both of which I think should be actively avoided as much as possible.

Ok let me try to explain my view on this, and why "I" think it's a complex issue -

First let's see if we can agree on a few things.
1 - Abortion is bad. We both want to reduce the amount of abortions.
2 - Making something illegal never works. See prohibition, war on drugs, gun bans, etc.
3 - I make the assumption that teen pregnancies are generally unplanned. Therefore, if we can reduce the rate of teen pregnancies, we can reduce the rate of abortions.

Do you agree with these statements? I hope so.

Ok, so let's do some good ol' fashion root cause analysis. The end scenario is a teenage girl is getting an abortion. Legality doesn't matter. She's doing it. Why is she having an abortion? Because she got pregnant. Why is she pregnant? Because she had unprotected sex, or sex without any sort of contraception (Yes, there are times when condoms/pills fail, but lets exclude those for the sake of my argument). So my basic root cause analysis says that if this teen girl did not have unprotected sex, she would not have gotten pregnant, and would not need an abortion. Yeah?

So how do we discourage girls (and guys for that matter) from having unprotected sex? First, and importantly, I do not believe we can stop teens from having sex. With the insanity that is the internet and social media, teens are going to have sex. Back in my day, we were lucky to steal some playboys from a friends house, or watch that one super blurry channel hoping for a boob to come through. Those days are long gone, and they aint coming back. Maybe you have ideas on how to promote abstinence, if so i'd love to hear them. See point #2 above.

So if we can't get them to stop having sex, we need to make sure they're being safe about it, right? In my opinion, the way you do that it through sexual education, and easy access to contraception. Not to be that guy again, but here's how they do it in the Netherlands. From a simple google search -

"Dutch sexuality education begins as early as age four, when children receive lessons on relationships, appropriate touching, and intimacy. The curriculum expands to include age-appropriate topics and concepts. Seven-year-olds learn the proper names of different body parts and eight-year-olds discuss gender stereotypes."

And surprise surprise, the Netherlands has one of the lowest abortion rates in the world. So can we agree that this an example of how proper education can reduce abortion rates? Dutch teens aren't having less sex than the rest of the world, they're just doing it "right". This is not an isolated example either.

So now let's look at the United States. What states have the highest teen pregnancy rates? Texas, New Mexico, Mississippi, Arkansas, Arizona, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Georgia, South Carolina, Nevada, Alabama, Louisiana, Kentucky, Etc. Notice a pattern here? Why is it that conservative states have the highest teen pregnancy rates? What is that they're doing that is failing? Or, better question, what are the best states, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut (again, notice a pattern here?), doing that is working?

Using my argument that better education will reduce teen pregnancies, and abortions, it is apparent to me that conservative states are failing miserably in whatever education (or lack thereof) program they are using.

So my final point is this - If you truly want to reduce abortion rates, focus on the root cause not the end result. I want abortions to be lower, therefore I want more education and access to contraception. Yet this goes against the conservative, pro-life, agenda. Why is that? What am I missing? I ask that question honestly and sincerely.

[Horza]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah I admit I used some colorful language, however that actually *is* the attitude of many younger women. Once feminism attained it's laudable and justified goals, it kept going and began teaching girls that equality means essentially acting more like men. It says sexual liberation is acting like men, who are often total pigs. Rather than encouraging men to act better, it started encouraging women to act worse. I think it's pretty self evident that that is true, to a large extent anyway. And with that came many more abortions, not to mention single motherhood, both of which I think should be actively avoided as much as possible.

ITT: male Republicans solve social issues like single parenthood by trying to have women locked up for going against their religious views.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Horza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

solve social issues like single parenthood.

That day when Democrats and Republicans came together in agreement

(I’m the black one)

[Toxigen]

you retards circle jerk over dems vs repubs but in reality we're all in a corporate plutocracy

hope this helps

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by Horza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ITT: male Republicans solve social issues like single parenthood by trying to have women locked up for going against their religious views.

See this is just a lazy troll. I know you know that I specifically said it's not a religious view.

You're capable of better trolling horza.

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by nostalgiaquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok let me try to explain my view on this, and why "I" think it's a complex issue -

First let's see if we can agree on a few things.
1 - Abortion is bad. We both want to reduce the amount of abortions.
2 - Making something illegal never works. See prohibition, war on drugs, gun bans, etc.
3 - I make the assumption that teen pregnancies are generally unplanned. Therefore, if we can reduce the rate of teen pregnancies, we can reduce the rate of abortions.

Do you agree with these statements? I hope so.

No, I don't agree with those statements. 1 and 3 yeah, I do. But making things illegal certainly does and can work, it depends what you're talking about specifically. You can't just reduce it to "ban = good or bad". Murder is illegal. Yes people still murder, but fewer people murder because it is illegal. Larceny is a crime, most people don't steal because of the legal punishment for stealing. When laws against stealing are relaxed, which we are literally seeing right now in places like san francisco, theft skyrockets. So there is certainly a strong correlation between legality and frequency there.

Usually when people bring this up they are talking about the drug war. The drug war is a special exception because people WANT drugs, proactively.

I mean you still need to answer the question of why you can kill a baby inside the womb, but not outside. The left accuses the right of arbitrarily defining conception or a heartbeat as the moment of life, but the left believes in an equally arbitrary magic trick, which is that life only begins at some point when a baby is exiting a vagina.

Supporting abortion invites all kinds of ugly philosophical questions about infanticide. Opposing abortion is a much more consistent position; killing innocent human beings is always wrong.

[Gatordash]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

See this is just a lazy troll. I know you know that I specifically said it's not a religious view.

You're capable of better trolling horza.

ITT: Male republicans who have made a shit load of terrible decisions in their life try to gain morale high ground by telling women, "well you shouldn't have done that".

[starkind]

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[Ooloo]

With regard to education, I agree education is good. Access to contraception is good. The absence of either of those things does not justify the killing of an unplanned baby though, if the baby is healthy and there is no serious threat to the life of the mother (which there almost never is in a normal pregnancy given modern medical tech). The baby can always be put up for adoption, it doesn't have to be a lifelong burden on the life of the mother, but you also don't have to kill it.

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by Gatordash [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ITT: Male republicans who have made a shit load of terrible decisions in their life try to gain morale high ground by telling women, "well you shouldn't have done that".

Men and women make babies by fucking. Fucking feels good for both men and women. You assume the risk of creating a new human life when you fuck. If you get preggo by accident, the man and the woman should both accept responsibility for the act that they consensually engaged in and either raise the child together or put it up for adoption.

It's not some puritanical indictment of women here, it applies to men to. If you knock up your girlfriend, step up and be a man and raise the kid or at least support your partner through the pregnancy and find an adoptive family.

Killing the thing instead is just you both being lazy horny retards.