14 Children and Teacher Killed in Texas Elementary School Shooting

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by Horza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is some quality cringe, unhinged internet tough guy.

Good Morning Horza!

3:30 PM EST is an early morning for you, feeling alright?

[Horza]

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good Morning Horza!

3:30 PM EST is an early morning for you, feeling alright?

You just le pwned me. Insert more tired chan lingo here, middle aged man who for some reason talks like a 14 year old.

[unsunghero]

Gotta get ready for a date (seeing the new Top Gun), but I wanted to post my new preferred weapon vs a knife

This one is meant for practice, the ones my dad and I used to have were thicker and shorter

I’d love to have someone strap on a full suit of body armor with a plastic knife and see how bashed up they get vs me with this before they can land a good cut

Only problem is: can’t conceal it or justify having it for anything other than violence. So starkind’s cane idea almost makes more sense. Or a baseball bat

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Gotta get ready for a date (seeing the new Top Gun), but I wanted to post my new preferred weapon vs a knife

This one is meant for practice, the ones my dad and I used to have were thicker and shorter

I’d love to have someone strap on a full suit of body armor with a plastic knife and see how bashed up they get vs me with this before they can land a good cut

Only problem is: can’t conceal it or justify having it for anything other than violence. So starkind’s cane idea almost makes more sense. Or a baseball bat

from 10 feet I'd be inside your swing range in 3 or less steps. Your weapon is agile, but yet still cumbersome, with how you have to position your arms and hands, your swings are predictable, so you're likely gonna come down at my head/shoulders, or swing wide at my torso/thighs. In either case I can wield my knife, and "actually catch" your bo staff, temporarily gaining control of it with it pinned between arm and body, or arm and shoulder, at which point I am able to place my knife anywhere, if I still am not close enough to your body, I can slash your arm/hand which will cause you to release the grip of the staff, then I go for the effective move.

So try to use your bo staff like a fist, and jab the blunt end into my throat, stomach or groin (in that order) Of course I will try to deflect or parry, but you will have opportunities for follow up shots that a wide swing recovery will not allow.

This is all taught in modern army basic, but sometimes I like to watch the old training videos, its hilarious how they make such light levity out of deadly hand-to-hand combat, because back in 1940, even when you were teaching 17 year old boys how to rip a jap's throat out, they still had to make videos that avoided this grim reality. When i went through it, instructors were like, "If you fuck this up, then you die and you're a waste of my time" they said that alot.

[Danth]

That was a very good video you linked. My old man was in the Navy Seabees during the war; from what I gathered they went to the same boot camp the Marines did, but weren't treated quite so poorly (Dad repeatedly described the Marines as being treated "worse than dogs," in his words.). Likely as not he would've seen that video.

Main thing that applies to civilian situations is--move. Don't have lead feet. Best way to not be injured by a weapon is be someplace it isn't. I agree about keeping the club/baton/whatever between you and the other man as much as possible. Dramatic wide swings not only leave you wide open but also look really bad if someone else catches it on camera and shows it to jury sympathetic to the other side.

The situation of an assailant attacking with surprise from within ~10 feet is sticky business. Even if you have a pistol, you don't have time to react and draw. Got any ideas about that?

Danth

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That was a very good video you linked. My old man was in the Navy Seabees during the war; from what I gathered they went to the same boot camp the Marines did, but weren't treated quite so poorly (Dad repeatedly described the Marines as being treated "worse than dogs," in his words.). Likely as not he would've seen that video.

Main thing that applies to civilian situations is--move. Don't have lead feet. Best way to not be injured by a weapon is be someplace it isn't. I agree about keeping the club/baton/whatever between you and the other man as much as possible. Dramatic wide swings not only leave you wide open but also look really bad if someone else catches it on camera and shows it to jury sympathetic to the other side.

The situation of an assailant attacking with surprise from within ~10 feet is sticky business. Even if you have a pistol, you don't have time to react and draw. Got any ideas about that?

Danth

Yeah i love how those old training videos work so hard to avoid describing the actual horror of having to kill with a knife. I dunno what good that would have done, because those boys in ww2 would see those videos, go through their training, and then have to apply it against Japs who felt like it was their duty to die, as long as they took an american down with them. just a total disconnect from reality.

Well forgetting the uhh forget the specific names, the plastic holsters with the quick release, Thats a fast draw, and even if you have to draw from a leather holster with a strap holding the weapon in place, or say from an ankle holster, you'll drop straight down and roll onto your back, buying you that 1.5 second to draw.

If im carrying and I get jumped up close, ~10 feet, my first instinct is gonna be to put my body between them and the gun, if its on my right hip, I'll put my left hip into the assailant. making quick shots at the throat, or pushing my fingers into their eye sockets, at the same time I would want to draw with my right, and press the muzzle into their center mass and double tap.

thats if I feel like deadly force is required, if some unarmed idiot is tryin to start a shoving match, im just gonna step on one of their feet, then push them to the ground and nicely, I mean it, Nicely advise that they change their course of action. I would then state that nobody really wants to fight. Back in the day I was disappointed that I never got a "downrange" deployment. These days I am thankful that I was never put into a position where I had to kill another human.

De-escalation is always better than someone ending up dead, even if its some shit bag street punk who would kill you, given the chance.

Of course this is all typed out from the comforts of my home, real world situations are dynamic and fast changing, with adrenaline surging through your brain while fight or flight instincts try to take over.

Can't ever be sure how you will perform, until faced with another person who intends to cause you harm.

I've had my share of brawls, and formal training, so this is me speaking from that experience. There was one time that some dude drove up and pulled a gun on my friends and I while drinking on a porch, we just went inside and called the cops.

[unsunghero]

Stopped watching when John Oliver claimed that putting 1 SRO at schools at least once per week was an improvement to school security we made in the past. I’m sure he went on to claim that because these shootings still happen, that improving school security failed

That is a moronic claim. A single person who isn’t even fucking THERE possibly 4 out of 5 school days to guard up to 5,000 people is an improvement to school security? Get out of here with that bullshit

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stopped watching when John Oliver claimed that putting 1 SRO at schools at least once per week was an improvement to school security we made in the past. I’m sure he went on to claim that because these shootings still happen, that improving school security failed

That is a moronic claim. A single person who isn’t even fucking THERE possibly 4 out of 5 school days to guard up to 5,000 people is an improvement to school security? Get out of here with that bullshit

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=

The threat of an armed presence is greater than the force of a single day armed presence, but I didn't click the video. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[starkind]

Panopticon obviously doesn't work when it's obvious that the bootheal isn't around the corner peepin in over u.

So far these school shooters don't seem interested in survival. Or positive outcomes even for themselves. So they are kind of hard to threaten. Maybe they'll switch to less defended targets tho. Honestly I don't fully get that part of their psychology why they go after defenseless people except they want to cause maximum pain and punish people or have trauma attached to children and schools.

SROs so far have proven easy prey. I don't think Americans truly have the mindset to excel at hunger games type events rly. That will only improve over lots of time and failures. Probably centuries. The likelihood people even call themselves American anymore or our culture is recognizable outside of 300 years is small. Not remote. Just small.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The threat of an armed presence is greater than the force of a single day armed presence, but I didn't click the video. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

His videos are very progressive and sometimes still humorous. If you haven’t become a fan of John Oliver, you likely will if you watch enough of them