Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[xmonkx]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://www.afterlifeguild.org/templa...ndex_jun_dec00

I looked through there for a bit starting from their first member zoning into veeshan's peak all the way through luclin release. I see no mention of any trains at all, in fact they still have screenshots you can look at for each update. Many of them show their guild members casually hanging out in places where they would easily be trained to death on p99.

Wish I could access some of these old forums, a lot of them are requiring me to have a username just to look at threads.

Why would the top guild post anything about training people? Why do you think Cats n Hats left the server? This is not proof. As I stated Afterlife was fairly nice to the public as long as you didnt touch their food.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Prove it.


Hahaha finally got to use that line when it was relevant.

No sir prove that it wasn't. You made the poll

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one wants to rotate. We just want the competition to be the same everywhere. Training has no place in the end game with the current mechanics of the end game. Variance with extended windows and FTE shouts. It's a race to each mob. This isn't about just VP. Think beyond VP. There are long raids on the horizon come Velious. Why spend hours training each other when we can all simply agree that the mechanics in place now are suitable. Race to the mob...FTE shout gets the attempt first without interference. It saves us all a lot of time now and in the future.

You are wrong. Tasslehoff absolutely wants to rotate.

[xmonkx]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are wrong. Tasslehoff absolutely wants to rotate.

QFT

Work hard, play hard.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

maybe the guilds should get together and see if its possible to work something out for the present time. no one is forcing anyone to train each other.

Considering FE is the only one training a guild in VP for the past few months.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sericx, we have already eatablished that training was never allowed on live and csr reps would punish those who committed intentional trains, regardless of where it occurred.

No you haven't.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sarcasm to simply deflect =) . Why didn't you respond to the question I asked ? Show 1 viable reason training should still exist with the current mechanics the GMs have put in the game. The best guild wins the race and gets FTE. Training outside of that is just griefing....by any guild who does it at this point.

1. Because fun.
2. FTE doesn't determine a better guild on 32k hp mobs.
3. Training a raid that is attempting a target that you also plan to attempt is competitive. Training a raid that is attempting a target that you have no plan to attempt is griefing. Which version does FE do?

[Tasslehofp99]

I don't want to rotate btw, no reason we can't race for VP mobs the same way as we do outside of VP.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. Because fun.
2. FTE doesn't determine a better guild on 32k hp mobs.
3. Training a raid that is attempting a target that you also plan to attempt is competitive. Training a raid that is attempting a target that you have no plan to attempt is griefing. Which version does FE do?

Both are griefing....Neither is fun unless you are the trainers. It is not competitive to train and kill a raid engaged on a dragon or attempting to engage a dragon. It's griefing. Competitive is exactly what Trak is like right now...Calling in the spawn, people racing to their chars and engaging before the other guild does. That is fun for all parties to race. Now if training was allowed there... Would simply training the guild winning the race make that more competitive ? It would just be raid interfering because you weren't fast enough to mobilize for the kill.

As I have said repeatedly all guilds are guilty of training at one point or another. It is not against server rules to do so in VP. So no one is in the wrong there. But let's not pretend that it adds to the competition when in reality it hampers competition. If you can outrace the other guild to a spawn and FTE and kill it first...That is competition because your guild cleanly outraced the other. I never said FTE did show the better guild...Mobilizing...racing...winning the race is the competition at this point because Kunark has been out so long. Now if you think adding trains to simply kill people because they were beating you is competitive...I dunno what to say to ya. Sounds like griefing cause you're losing or may lose. Not saying your guild is losing... Just saying that mechanic in the raid scene hampers any guild not a certain size in some zones.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No sir prove that it wasn't. You made the poll

Training was never allowed, where did you get the idea that it was? Rogean already said the current p99 rule set for VP was not derived from any live EQ policies like 9 pages ago, I think.