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It's a lot like the actual economy. A lot of people want a Ferrari and can't afford one. Anyone who can actually afford one can really afford multiple.
Someone's gonna come around and say "ya know, this fine piece of Italian machinery, it's really incredible, it's super fast, it's worth the money. It's only 350k! But ya know what, it's worth even MORE than that and if you don't buy one now it's gonna be even more expensive!" Then you get many people quite well off that would say - "yeah Ferraris are cool and all, buy my fifth generation Corvette that I keep in my garage and has an upgraded valvetrain, suspension, and exhaust didn't cost me anywhere near as much as a Ferrari and I can't even drive it safely on public roads. I'm gonna keep buying rental properties." Quote:
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You need to sell Ferraris to ~~~rich people~~~. Many rich people already have one. If they don't, a rich person knows a Ferrari is nice, but probably doesn't want one or spends money elsewhere. Rant "against" DKP dude - it's not "against." It is what it is. It explains why the first people to the server who went hard and hoarded a bunch of money have it all and everyone else who is new really doesn't. Collecting DKP doesn't directly make you money, and DKP is worth "nothing" until you have an item. Period. The server nubs are broke and they will continue to be broke. And then we get the paper napkin math EQ nerds love so much. Is just one person farming Hill Giants for 24 hours a day? It would take them 5 days to make 150k. Is someone farming 8 hours a day and making 10k? Is someone gonna farm Hill Giants 8 hours a day for 15 days then go buy a Manastone for 150k? Or are they gonna....go camp one? Quote:
Manastone is only useful for casters. They are useless for melees. "Epic Wizard." How many of those are there going to be on Green??? Kunark comes, eventually Velious. Melees get a huge bump. People are gonna drop plat on melee gear. You miss my point and I'm not wrong - Manastone price won't spike right after Sol Ro comes out. Nobody is buying them in the first place. Nobody has the money. Anybody with money is going to spend it on other things. By the time a Manastone sells for 150k plat will have inflated and it's not worth the "150k" you think it is. The person who sold manastone for 70k in December? Smart. He probably went and got another one. Someone on forum said one sold for 140k? People are WTB and WTS on forums but seemingly with no bites? The real question is...how many have actually been sold? How many ~will~ even be sold and not straight traded on down the line? You always seem to have some type of "explanation" and "justification" for peddling these things but dude, nobody has the money. If they have it they are holding out and they likely already have one. 150k is a lot of plat man. As long as people hoard DKP and not actual coin 150k will remain a lot of plat. The whole DKP thing won't change. An item that isn't selling for 150k now won't magically sell for more than that because it simply no longer drops and there are in fact hundreds on the server. It's just not how things work dude.
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Last edited by Tuljin; 03-05-2020 at 09:13 AM..
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30k a day, you play 8 hours. You make 10k. That's if you kill every single HG. You don't. If ~anybody~ is making 10k per day at any camp, they certainly won't tell anybody where it is lol. Also, 30k a day from Hill Giants. Let's say for easy math there's 1000 actual human players (there's more.) That's 30 platinum a day per player. We are talking about less than 30 platinum per day per player coming from Hill Giants. At this point, daily server population is well under 1k. How many of them are leveling? How many of them are waiting for the next Fear spawn? How many of the nubs are actually leveling and vendoring their bronze and fine steel instead of powerleveling? The actual coin injection into the economy at this point has stagnated. Its very low. This can't be calculated with paper napkin math. Even if you did, its low. I just had an epiphany thinking about this nonsense. My father growing up used to sit at the kitchen table and try to figure out dice odds. He did this on a paper napkin. He did this a lot. He'd do it with horses and dogs too. He always told me that "you can't beat them." And he's absolutely right. The fact that he sat there and tried to figure it out on a paper napkin...shit he could have tried to figure it out with Watson...is ridiculous. The EQ nerd "paper napkin" math is so ridiculous and its tired. 10 years of P99. Its tired and ridiculous. Its so ridiculous that you have to sit down and think about it and wrap your brain around it and you poke a million holes in it and then you finally say...."wow, that's absolutely fucking ridiculous" lol
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Would someone camp HG 4 hours/day at off times for 1 month instead of camping a manastone for 80 hours straight? YES! Let's keep the question simple and more general: Will some choose to camp plat over a longer period of time instead of camping 50, 60, 70, 80 or more hours straight on manastone? Absolutely yes Also, it's not just that one person camps all that plat. I'm simply saying plat is flooding the server HHK guards, HGs, etc. Guilds are buying up root nets, IG toes, etc. Plat is flowing. HGs alone (if camped 24/7) would bring in one million plat to the server in a little over 1 month. That's just 1 set of 6 mobs in one zone. The treants in SK are probably ~250k/month (assuming 300pp/hour.) And there's more cash camps than that. Individuals seriously underestimate how much plat is being produced and floating around the server because they only see their individual activity. People get all surprised when prices inflate later. [b]I'm not even gonna go dig up the post but I called people out that turning down 35k for a Rubi BP in December was foolish. Lo and behold, they barely sell for 20k now. The logic for why everyone was saying they'd spike after they stopped dropping is simply because...it stopped dropping. The benefit of the item never came into question.[/quote] No surprise here for me. I sold mine at 28k and bought and sold 2 more, each bought at 22k and sold at 26-28k. No comparison to manastone. Rubi BP = replaceable and effect at 50+ is minimal. Manastone irreplaceable and effect becomes more powerful at larger mana/hp pools. Iksar BP and Fungus Tunic arrive in Kunark. RIP Rubi. I haven't touched it for weeks now. Quote:
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Funny, you admit plat is flooding into economy causing inflation, but then say everyone is broke.... Manastone price will 100% spike after Sol Ro. Watch.
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The math might be 'tired and ridiculous' because of your terrible assumptions.
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The platinum from HGs isn't sprinkled across the entire population in some Bernie-esque scheme. You find a lot of the same people at HGs. My point of sharing the total plat influx is to show you close to 1 million plat is flowing in from HGs alone onto server every month. Probably a small % of players soaking up 90% of that plat. Coin injection into economy has stagnated? What does that mean? People are still killing HGs, HHK guards, etc. Coin injection rate not increasing much, sure, but filling up a bath tub that's plugged = the tub gets fuller and fuller. If 2 million plat is created every month on Green. If that "stagnates" (AKA stays the same) where is it all going? Water... food... reagents... tink bags... a small amount of recharging... Anyone that knows EQ knows there are few plat sinks. Total plat on Green is increasing and will continue to increase. Period. This alone increases prices.
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Yes, ~of course~ there is more money every day going into the economy. And yes....that alone increases prices. This phenomenon is called................ ................. ................. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~inflation~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~ So, when the Mannastone finally sells for 150k....it won't be worth "150k." As I've been saying from the get go. Its really funny to watch you keep trying to poke holes dude. You have some manastones, you'll sell them. Keep holding out and do something with them. That's fine. But dude, nobody is going to "drive the prices up" of anything. When the price "goes up" after they don't drop anymore, what will that ~actually~ be worth? A "manastone" will be worth "a fungi" or "a Manna robe." The coin number will keep fluctuating. To be stuck to this number is.....ridiculous. It's not about "winning" an argument dude. I mean, it is to you, obviously. We all know the joke about the special olympics and arguing on the internet. But I will make this point....and I'm not "wrong"...this entire thread and trying to single-handedly drive up the price of an item nobody is buying in the first place and talking till youre blue in the face about absolute nonsense and every single counter-point anybody ever makes ever....is absolutely fucking ridiculous lol
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If I played on green I would probably camp one to sell down the road for 150k, but I wouldn't expect to sell it right away.
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OP is working way too hard at trying to get people to care this much about manastones.
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Career gamer, this is endgame RL for him
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