Asking a favor from the two top guilds on the server

[finalgrunt]

Originally Posted by Yajirobe Yajipants [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Triggered spawns is another option. A guild can spawn CT an unlimited amount of times at any point if they want. A guild can farm Draco for BCGs. Another guild can farm PD until everyone has a crown and robe. At this point, lots of people just want to experience the raids/kills they missed out on live or want to relive the days of old when they were doing it on live.

There seems to be 3 schools of thought on this though. Some hate it because they want their pixels to be mostly exclusive (like members jackets) to their guild, some hate it because they are more "it's the journey, not the destination" kinda people, and others are "I want the destination. I'm not worried about the journey."

Water down my P99 experience? I don't care if my experience becomes watered down. I'd just have fun rotating tanks and groupings on CT to see what works, what doesn't, and what's the oddest raid composition such a raid mob can be done with....all without interference.

For that you would have to create your own emu server [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Not gonna happen.

2nd league can happen. Just need to make sure it's a reasonable request. And I'm waiting for feedback from TMO on this, to know where we stand. With FE atm there is ground to get something started. Maybe not what some people would expect/like, but at least get things in motion. Just need TMO's consent now on the concept to work out the details.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by finalgrunt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For that you would have to create your own emu server [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Not gonna happen.

2nd league can happen. Just need to make sure it's a reasonable request. And I'm waiting for feedback from TMO on this, to know where we stand. With FE atm there is ground to get something started. Maybe not what some people would expect/like, but at least get things in motion. Just need TMO's consent now on the concept to work out the details.

Hope things work out for you. Just understand that Chest's idea (full rotation by guild on all mobs in never going to happen in a million years). Something like TMO/FE/Open on the outdoor Kunark dragons and maestro/draco would be fantastic though.

[KotBK]

Read all of what i wrote it's also a pretty simple concept that had nothing to do with how you are perceiving it other than putting words in my mouth. You will see i explained myself and addressed the matter in which you are trying to say i didn't my friend.

Even Aenarie thought you quoted the wrong person that is how off base you were.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by KotBK [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Read all of what i wrote it's also a pretty simple concept that had nothing to do with how you are perceiving it other than putting words in my mouth. You will see i explained myself and addressed the matter in which you are trying to say i didn't my friend.

Even Aenarie thought you quoted the wrong person that is how off base you were.

read your second sentence of your first post. Not putting words in your mouth they are there for anyone to read. Also the whole 2nd paragraph is just wrong. You think getting rid of variance is going to do anything to help anyone outside of the top 2 guilds? It just means when we have the spawn timers both guilds will be on top of the mobs for a FTE fight for everything...the only way more guilds are going to have more fun in terms of raid content is for velious to come out.

[KotBK]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

read your second sentence of your first post. Not putting words in your mouth they are there for anyone to read. Also the whole 2nd paragraph is just wrong. You think getting rid of variance is going to do anything to help anyone outside of the top 2 guilds? It just means when we have the spawn timers both guilds will be on top of the mobs for a FTE fight for everything...the only way more guilds are going to have more fun in terms of raid content is for velious to come out.

You have the right to your opinion, but it is falling in line with the problem that this server has become. How classic mechanics on a classic server are completely wrong is beyond me. It worked on live and it worked on here for the majority of this servers early life until certain politics came about that have proven to create more stress and negativity than is required.

The fact remains with my statement it is the game mechanics as well as the players temperament in game that need to change for anything positive to actually take place. We can all post on here until we're red in the fingers and blue in the face, but more likely than not it won't change a thing as has been seen by the fail rate percentage being much greater than the success result percentage.

Velious has its pro's and con's, everyone thought kunark would bring improvement due to just increasing encounters when all it did was create further despair as far as the raid scene is concerned. I guess only time will tell though, but without significant change the bad can only get worse. The great majority agrees changes need to be made and actions speak louder than words. This also goes to the point of what happens in game is conveyed a lot clearer cause it appears many people misunderstand forum text fairly easy for lack of reading or simply due to their own selfish propaganda.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by KotBK [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have the right to your opinion, but it is falling in line with the problem that this server has become. How classic mechanics on a classic server are completely wrong is beyond me. It worked on live and it worked on here for the majority of this servers early life until certain politics came about that have proven to create more stress and negativity than is required.

The fact remains with my statement it is the game mechanics as well as the players temperament in game that need to change for anything positive to actually take place. We can all post on here until we're red in the fingers and blue in the face, but more likely than not it won't change a thing as has been seen by the fail rate percentage being much greater than the success result percentage.

Velious has its pro's and con's, everyone thought kunark would bring improvement due to just increasing encounters when all it did was create further despair as far as the raid scene is concerned. I guess only time will tell though, but without significant change the bad can only get worse. The great majority agrees changes need to be made and actions speak louder than words. This also goes to the point of what happens in game is conveyed a lot clearer cause it appears many people misunderstand forum text fairly easy for lack of reading or simply due to their own selfish propaganda.

it worked on live because more content became available. if not for expansions on live it would have probably ended up just like this. hence my solution is release velious which will open more content for all (which we all know is already in the works). I still don't see how people are arguing that the top 2 guilds on a server dominating content is not classic though. Aside from a few servers with rotations this was classic. I've been in casual guilds here before and when these conversations came up I was the first to say if we want the mobs we have to put in the time. Nothing has changed from that standpoint in my point of view.

edit: ask people in div they probably still have the naggy/vox spreadsheets I created for alts to try to get organized to hit targets like that during the guild's peak hours if they popped

[KotBK]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I still don't see how people are arguing that the top 2 guilds on a server dominating content is not classic though. Aside from a few servers with rotations this was classic. I've been in casual guilds here before and when these conversations came up I was the first to say if we want the mobs we have to put in the time. Nothing has changed from that standpoint in my point of view.

This i agree with to an extent, i for one am not saying domination wasn't classic on some servers. Just simply the current mechanics on this server aren't and a lot of the immature behavior that is shown throughout in certain aspects on here for sure wasn't classic. Hard to think that back then maturity and the concept of respect seemed higher than it does now when we've all aged a great deal since then. Plus it is an age old everquest ideal that the more time you put in the chance of acquiring more rewards increases across the board. However, denying content or judging others poorly who can't devote 24/7 who may be just as skilled with the fewer hours they can afford to play a game isn't right either especially if their effort is being ignored or even worse trampled on.

The level of GM involvement we see here in regards to disputes to allow for rules lawyering, which lead to other childish antics in hopes to become victorious prior to engage and after engage was almost non-existent if not completely non-existent on live. So to say that what we have here currently is classic in any regard is quite a bit of a stretch in my opinion.

[AenarieFenninRo]

Back to the topic at hand... suggestions on how to "fix" the raid scene

[AenarieFenninRo]

this post is de-evolving into statements about what the other person said, and i'm including myself in that lump... lets let the past go, and go forward please [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Woahnelly]

1 week every 3 months is begging for scraps. if enough people are fully intolerant to the current situation, change will come.

Example: I don't like TMO or FE's tactics and mob hoggery

Solution: nobody does any business with any player in those guilds.

After a little time maybe they would be willing to actually bring something constructive to the round table.