Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Versus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

VP was rotated between TMO and IB. This is because it was initially agreed upon, and then broken via a backstab. We agreed AGAIN to rotate mobs with IB, which was later broken again.

The reason it was rotated was because they were able to make our lives hell enough. You don't make our lives hell enough YET to come to any kind of agreement regarding a rotation. Simply coming to the table with nothing but your hand out isn't going to make us establish a deal with you.

Not speaking for the entire guild obviously. Training NEEDS to remain in the game to prevent fuckwit shittums from waking the Sleeper.

No one wants to rotate. We just want the competition to be the same everywhere. Training has no place in the end game with the current mechanics of the end game. Variance with extended windows and FTE shouts. It's a race to each mob. This isn't about just VP. Think beyond VP. There are long raids on the horizon come Velious. Why spend hours training each other when we can all simply agree that the mechanics in place now are suitable. Race to the mob...FTE shout gets the attempt first without interference. It saves us all a lot of time now and in the future.

[newsmurf]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why spend hours training each other when we can all simply agree that the mechanics in place now are suitable. Race to the mob...FTE shout gets the attempt first without interference. It saves us all a lot of time now and in the future.

Correction, it saves you time. TMO has no problem running you over, attaining 100% of the loot they desire, what don't you guys get? This mentality will not change. Well i can't speak for them, but i just don't see them having a change of heart one day, offering you guy's free shots at dragons =/. Have to earn it.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by newsmurf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Correction, it saves you time. TMO has no problem running you over, attaining 100% of the loot they desire, what don't you guys get? This mentality will not change. Well i can't speak for them, but i just don't see them having a change of heart one day, offering you guy's free shots at dragons =/. Have to earn it.

No one wants a free shot at a dragon. You don't get free shots at dragons outside of VP with the same system. It is a competition of mobilization and racing to the targets. I am simply pointing out that at this point training is just griefing with the system in place by ALL GUILDS that choose to train. It isn't against the rules and there is nothing wrong with it as far as the rules state. I am hoping to have a constructive discussion to do away with it. It isn't needed anymore from all parties. TMO mobilizes fast enough to get plenty of mobs. It won't stop them from being the machine they are. It would make them prioritize a few more targets and donate resources to those targets. But it would do that for all guilds that choose to raid as well.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one wants to rotate. We just want the competition to be the same everywhere. Training has no place in the end game with the current mechanics of the end game. Variance with extended windows and FTE shouts. It's a race to each mob. This isn't about just VP. Think beyond VP. There are long raids on the horizon come Velious. Why spend hours training each other when we can all simply agree that the mechanics in place now are suitable. Race to the mob...FTE shout gets the attempt first without interference. It saves us all a lot of time now and in the future.

You are wrong. Tasslehoff absolutely wants to rotate.

[xmonkx]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are wrong. Tasslehoff absolutely wants to rotate.

QFT

Work hard, play hard.

[sulpher01]

Originally Posted by Versus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not speaking for the entire guild obviously. Training NEEDS to remain in the game to prevent fuckwit shittums from waking the Sleeper.

God I hope so... unkeyed zones that allow FFA training?! OMG... my time has come... ToV gonna be a lot of fun.. I've got 2 monks, a necro and an sk now from friends that have quit over the years. This would be my alternative to the crappy red server... I'll train on weekends [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Cecily]

Alright anyone who hasn't killed a raid mob isn't allowed to comment on VP rules from now on. Can we all agree with that at least?

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alright anyone who hasn't killed a raid mob isn't allowed to comment on VP rules from now on. Can we all agree with that at least?

Killed trak just this week =p

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Killed trak just this week =p

I was just saying in general. Obviously you're an experienced raider with vast knowledge of our current game end and your opinions on the matter are highly appreciated! Carry on.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was just saying in general. Obviously you're an experienced raider with vast knowledge of our current game end and your opinions on the matter are highly appreciated! Carry on.

Sarcasm to simply deflect =) . Why didn't you respond to the question I asked ? Show 1 viable reason training should still exist with the current mechanics the GMs have put in the game. The best guild wins the race and gets FTE. Training outside of that is just griefing....by any guild who does it at this point.