Sirken's proposal

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In case everyone forgot, the casual guilds REFUSED to pull every dirty trick in the book to get those targets. We refused to DA stall tank, "accidentally" train, leapfrog, FTE snipe, rules lawyer, manipulate logs, ninja loot, buy up hundreds of accounts, etc etc

Hey Chest buddy. Raiding actually isn't as bad as you make it out to be. Those incidents all happen but are few and far between. This is for you and everyone else who choose not to put in effort to kill raid mobs, but keep referencing all this "toxic" shit that happens and how you're morally above all that.

You know how shit usually goes? Batphone goes out, we log into VS pit, TMO has FTE and kill the mob, we go park at the next target and log off. I'm not going to search for it, but this morning I read a post from one of the GMs, that 80% of engages go perfectly smoothly and don't involve any of this drama.

I know this is literally the only argument that you (and many many others) have for why you want to do nothing, and still get free shots at mobs. But it's been debunked.

[Rhambuk]

80% of engages go perfectly smoothly with tmo engaging and moving on.


That's a problem...

[Fael]

Originally Posted by Droog007 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shit's gotten REAL topheavy - it's pretty tough for us casual scum to get any fulfillment from the game. If you guys don't want a bunch of legislation, back the fuck down and let some mobs live... I dunno... a few hours? You know, like it was on classic. It's not impossible to help EMULATE the classic experience with a dash of your own restraint.

Droog: If every 8-10 days, IB/FE/TMO stepped aside, you would have the opportunity to kill a whole host of mobs you previously believed to be out of your range for the last 3 years.

The tier 2 guilds compete like mad for ragefire, this time you'd be competing for 10x as many stuff. Why are people so unwilling to except that?

When you put this in context with the fact that velious is coming out in 3 months or less, its not like your really going to get much from a rotation on stuff youll see once or twice a year. Why not enjoy the drastically improved raid scene?

Dolic

[Exmo]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

we log into VS pit

And there's something else that needs to be stopped, while we're on the topic.

Ban any toon that gets camped at a raid mob.

[Imslap]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey Chest buddy. Raiding actually isn't as bad as you make it out to be. Those incidents all happen but are few and far between. You and everyone else who choose not to put in effort to kill raid mobs keep referencing all this "toxic" shit that happens and how you're morally above all that.

You know how shit usually goes? Batphone goes out, we log into VS pit, TMO has FTE and kill the mob, we go park at the next target and log off. I'm not going to search for it, but this morning I read a post from one of the GMs, that 80% of engages go perfectly smoothly and don't involve any of this drama.

I know this is literally the only argument that you (and many many others) have for why you want to do nothing, and still get free shots at mobs. But it's been debunked.

Or FE/IB has FTE and TMO moves on to the next target and log out.

+100 Hitpoint the Logical

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Mezzmur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not helpful. Focus on future, not past, we've already discussed this and it's about moving forward not QQing about what has happen.

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Sadly Sirken's whole proposal is based on the past:

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you have to have something, before u can actually give it up.

According to Rogean, we were to be creating equitable solutions for the future:

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was thinking to myself the other day and I came to ask myself.. Are we providing this server to give people the arena to compete to such bitter extremes that it has resorted to taking every absolute measure to be victorious, or are we here to provide a classic Everquest experience for everyone to enjoy?

A lot of you make fun of it in your own terms, but it really does come down to fighting over very old content.

Either way, we're tired of the constant bickering, the training, the ninja looting, and all the other bullshit that's going on. So here's what we're going to do.

Starting today and then evaluated when Velious is released the CSR staff will be keeping track of how the raid guilds are treating eachother. If we do not see a significant improvement in the behavior of the raiding guilds and how they treat eachother, Velious will be released without raid content. To be clear, we want an enjoyable raid scene for everyone, not just one or two guilds. This means working together to figure out a compromise when racing for mobs, and working with smaller guilds to let them have a chance at mobs you don't absolutely need for gearing main characters.

Don't think that this means you can continue shitting on each other and just not petition, the staff will still be watching..

If a proposal favors the hardcores because they have everything to lose, they are basing the agreement on the past. If a proposal favors the casuals, they are not creating an equitable solution for everyone on the server.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Fael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the fact that velious is coming out in 3 months or less

whaaaaat since when?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Exmo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And there's something else that needs to be stopped, while we're on the topic.

Ban any toon that gets camped at a raid mob.

read sirken's proposal since you are posting on this topic.

[Mezzmur]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sadly Sirken's whole proposal is based on the past:

According to Rogean, we were to be creating equitable solutions for the future:


If a proposal favors the hardcores because they have everything to lose, they are basing the agreement on the past. If a proposal favors the casuals, they are not creating an equitable solution for everyone on the server.

Did you read my proposal? How is it not equitable to promote both styles and share mobs? Please tell.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sadly Sirken's whole proposal is based on the past:

According to Rogean, we were to be creating equitable solutions for the future:


If a proposal favors the hardcores because they have everything to lose, they are basing the agreement on the past. If a proposal favors the casuals, they are not creating an equitable solution for everyone on the server.

This proposal favors the casuals too..... very greatly.