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Old 01-06-2014, 02:29 AM
Daldolma Daldolma is offline
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I love all the "sky is falling the sky is falling" crap about 'devaluation' followed by custom99 derps.

You realize on live there were actual patches which occurred multiple times a month? These patches brought the server down and forced a repop.

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http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/19992002.php

Look at it. LOOK AT IT. 3-4 patch days a month most months.
Those who were in favor of the status quo did not want a classic solution, they wanted the continuance of non-classic mechanics that allowed for non-classic monopolization of raid content.

They're simply unhappy that the playing field has been changed after they contributed literally thousands of hours to dominating the flawed playing field.
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Old 01-06-2014, 02:38 AM
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The point is that the accelerated introduction of items into the game will create a very real devaluation, on several levels, of otherwise scarce items.

The repops will not interfere with normal respawn timers, and repops 4X a month will have an appreciate negative effect. Of course, there are many positives to the plan, but it is also legitimate to point out the downsides.
You mean it will devalue the epic multiquests that you horde ?
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Old 01-06-2014, 02:41 AM
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I think the only ones crying about some impending economic disaster because of more supply of regulated raid targets/loot are the ones currently in total control of it. Repops are classic, multiple alt armies parked on multiple targets are not (at least on my server). Worst case scenario prices drop some and your platinum gains buying power.

Gm's giving them more chances to race other competitive t1 guilds in big VP instead of farming free kills and all they can think about is some filthy casual getting an AoN/CoF/watever without paying them their due.
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Old 01-06-2014, 02:42 AM
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I think the only ones crying about some impending economic disaster because of more supply of regulated raid targets/loot are the ones currently in total control of it. Repops are classic, multiple alt armies parked on multiple targets are not (at least on my server). Worst case scenario prices drop some and your platinum gains buying power.

Gm's giving them more chances to race other competitive t1 guilds in big VP instead of farming free kills and all they can think about is some filthy casual getting an AoN/CoF/watever without paying them their due.
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Old 01-06-2014, 02:43 AM
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I love all the "sky is falling the sky is falling" crap about 'devaluation' followed by custom99 derps.

You realize on live there were actual patches which occurred multiple times a month? These patches brought the server down and forced a repop.

Here:
http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/19992002.php

Look at it. LOOK AT IT. 3-4 patch days a month most months.
Exactly. Anyone whining about the new repops needs to shut up. They are finally making it like it should have been.
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Old 01-06-2014, 02:49 AM
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I think the only ones crying about some impending economic disaster because of more supply of regulated raid targets/loot are the ones currently in total control of it. Repops are classic, multiple alt armies parked on multiple targets are not (at least on my server). Worst case scenario prices drop some and your platinum gains buying power.

Gm's giving them more chances to race other competitive t1 guilds in big VP instead of farming free kills and all they can think about is some filthy casual getting an AoN/CoF/watever without paying them their due.

^ Post of the day right there.
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Old 01-06-2014, 02:51 AM
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You mean it will devalue the epic multiquests that you horde ?
Among other things, yes.

Of course, it'll also enable a great many more people to meaningfully participate in content that was otherwise impossible for them to ever see. The benefits undeniably outweigh the downside. The repop scheme is a net positive, but there is still a negative aspect that bears consideration.

For example, should repops happen every day? I suspect most people will say no. Should repops never happen? Again, most will say no. We can all accept the principle that you have to "dial it in." Thus, the issue is about the optimal frequency of repops. 4X a month is pretty close, but discussion (of the non-"sky is falling type") is still legitimate.
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Old 01-06-2014, 02:57 AM
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Hope there will be variance when the repops happens. If its like 6pm EST everytime, Euro and Asia gets foked!
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Old 01-06-2014, 03:00 AM
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Xasten has been pretty vocal about supporting repops for a long time. Anyone calling him out for viewing this as a negative is not reading his posts.

He points out a valid concern. This will have an economic impact for the entire server. However, we are close to Velious, and overall that effect will be minimal. Dialing in the correct number of repops a month is tricky, but we feel that 3-4 is a safe place to start.
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Old 01-06-2014, 03:01 AM
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Hope there will be variance when the repops happens. If its like 6pm EST everytime, Euro and Asia gets foked!
Stay up late. I had euros in my guild back on live and we raided at those times.

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Xasten has been pretty vocal about supporting repops for a long time. Anyone calling him out for viewing this as a negative is not reading his posts.

He points out a valid concern. This will have an economic impact for the entire server. However, we are close to Velious, and overall that effect will be minimal. Dialing in the correct number of repops a month is tricky, but we feel that 3-4 is a safe place to start.
There are plenty of other items he can sell and still make good plat from. Fungis/FBSS etc. Epics are meant to quest and raid for not buy. Also the impact on the economy will be a welcome sight for 95% of the server population. In other words a good thing for most people except the people selling stuff they shouldn't be.
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