All of you: Please vote for Donald Trump

[TarukShmaruk]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like how conservatives are like, 'no trust me it's a long game, I know we've been in financial ruin it for the last 30 years but trust me it's the best system and it will work if you just keep letting it do exactly what it is already doing without bothering it at all'

rofl - yeah, because that system you see falling apart in Europe as we speak is going so well.

France, Greece, Spain, just look at Britain and how far they've fallen because they can barely afford to be a major military superpower anymore.

The small, homogenized nordic countries manage by having very strict immigration and small population.

Also LOL @ the "the public has a right to tell corporations how much they can pay their CEOS" - no they fucking don't you dumb hippy. Anymore than I have a right to tell you anything at all.

Jesus some of you children drink some serious koolaid. I know all these pseudo-socialist ideas sound pretty and wonderful like butterflies and maple syrup but there's a reason it fails in the end and it's because we're all human.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by TarukShmaruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

rofl - yeah, because that system you see falling apart in Europe as we speak is going so well.

France, Greece, Spain, just look at Britain and how far they've fallen because they can barely afford to be a major military superpower anymore.

The small, homogenized nordic countries manage by having very strict immigration and small population.

Funny how Germany has one of the strongest economies in the world and is a part of the EU. They are also ethnically nordic, but have the most inclusive immigration policies in the world and a booming population.

But you're just going to ignore both points because the truth is inconvenient to you.

[TarukShmaruk]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

US fiscal conservatives are not spendthrifts. Like I said before, in spite of their rhetoric they just spend differently (Defense, medicare, agriculture subsidies, etc). With our status as a reserve currency, it works in our interest to accrue a healthy amount of debt. That is not the case with other countries, and will change as soon as other powers are able to mount an effective challenge to the dollar.
Perhaps we have too much debt, but what you need to understand is that it isn't a Democrat-Republican issue. Both sides are equally capable of fiscal irresponsibility. Don't forget who ran it up so high in the first place. In California, after so many years of Schwarzenegger, it took Jerry fucking Brown, a Democrat, to get our budget under control.

The government should absolutely tax more and spend more, but intelligently and honorably. Unfortunately, with the current state of corruption that has permeated both sides of our political system, this is not possible. Taxing and spending have simply become means with which to plunder the country. Compare this to places with functional institutions, such as Denmark, Germany, Canada, etc, and I don't see how you can embrace American-style conservative economics. These places hardly even have higher taxes than we do, it's just that instead of spending tax dollars on flying helicopters around Afghanistan, they spend it on universal healthcare, tuition, labor benefits, infrastructure, etc, which are all evil things to the American right.

You have to deal with the world you have not the world you want.

You're never going to get some benevolent government that taxes and spends honorably. It's just not going to happen.

Also, there's an amount Americans are paying out whether we like it or not to be the premiere superpower as well as world police.

Denmark and Germany and Canada don't spend what we do on defense - and they don't have to. You could argue we don't have to either.

But the fact remains that a lot of these countries - especially the smaller nordic ones - essentially live under the umbrella of safety that the USA foots the bill for. That frees up a lot of money to spend on other shit.

Again, I am not arguing either way whether that is good or bad, it's just how it is. The USA is big daddy and other first world nations have no fear of being invaded or conquered because of it.

[Charlievox]

The real kool aid is being drunk by the people who think that concentrating more and more wealth into the pockets of fewer and fewer people is somehow magically going to raise the standard of living for the general populace.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Charlievox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The real kool aid is being drunk by the people who think that concentrating more and more wealth into the pockets of fewer and fewer people is somehow magically going to raise the standard of living for the general populace.

this is irrelevant so long as my country can beatup your country!

[Big_Japan]

Originally Posted by Charlievox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

concentrating more and more wealth into the pockets of fewer and fewer people is somehow magically going to raise the standard of living for the general populace.

gotta wonder what these people think a recession or depression actually is.

[TarukShmaruk]

Originally Posted by Charlievox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The real kool aid is being drunk by the people who think that concentrating more and more wealth into the pockets of fewer and fewer people is somehow magically going to raise the standard of living for the general populace.

First off, nobody thinks this. They just think your idiotic ideas of using government as a weapon to forcibly redistribute ends in corruption and failure.

Second, tell me more about how bad the standard of living is in the US. Despite your silly lefty myths, people don't "die in the streets" as a common thing.

People in poverty in the US live like kings compared to the third world. Go to the ghetto - I've lived there - and you'll see new cars, flat screen TVs, HVAC, at least one new generation gaming console, and many other modern luxuries.

You career-victims want to whine about FYGM when your only viewpoint is FYIDGM. If you want to see real suffering, head over to the third world - you're the 1%.

[Charlievox]

Originally Posted by Big_Japan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

gotta wonder what these people think a recession or depression actually is.

For the fat cats, a depression is when the dividend chacks get a bit smaller for a few months and they have to lay off their undocumented gardener.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Funny how Germany has one of the strongest economies in the world and is a part of the EU. They are also ethnically nordic, but have the most inclusive immigration policies in the world and a booming population.

But you're just going to ignore both points because the truth is inconvenient to you.

They have a strong economy because of the euro, which has absolutely decimated wages and economies in the south of Europe. Have you heard of Greece? Their pensions are paying for the Germany economy.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They have a strong economy because of the euro, which has absolutely decimated wages and economies in the south of Europe. Have you heard of Greece? Their pensions are paying for the Germany economy.

GERMAN economy*