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Old 11-29-2017, 08:01 PM
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Yea, fortunately I now actually value my physical and mental wellbeing and don't associate with those crowds anymore (well besides all the massive drugs addicts on p99).

It's nice being satisfied with life instead of stuck in a pit of emptiness. I'm not even sure how I broke out.

@ lhance newp, just a couple days of being completely unable to eat (accompanied by mucho vomiting).

Actually, this may be the reason I can't drink more than 3 pints these days without being hideously, hideously hung over for 24 hours starting from 12 hours after I finish drinking.

Don't overdo the boozywoozy.

Edit: interesting stuff on the fasting Lhance! I feel sorry for those of the Islamic faith living on polar regions when ramadam is in summer. Dang! That's a lot of ice chips to eat for 40 days.
You overcame it the same way I did. By experiencing the wholesome joy of a halfling warrior.
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Old 11-29-2017, 08:04 PM
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Yes, it is probably the Rivervale theme irrevocably burnt into my mind which did it.
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Old 11-29-2017, 08:23 PM
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I ate around 5k calories a day and lost 90 LBS in 4 months, calories have nothing to do with anything its all about CARBS

Stop eating wheat, period, replace all carb products with Lean meats and vegetables

switch your metabolism to eat your fat instead of carbs from your diet and you wont be hungry and will burn around a pound a day

do exercises that use large muscle groups with high intensity and once your hormones kick in your weight loss will too and you will feel great
Unless you're a professional athelete, there's no way you took in 5k calories a day and lost 90 lbs.

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This just goes to show you what the basics of avoiding sugar and bad carbs can do.

This is a paleo approuch that works for some people. Eat lots of meats, veggies, and fats. But -- basically no carbs except what your getting from the veggies and maybe some nuts or something.

Your body burns fat at like 9 calories per unit instead of carbs at 4 calories per unit (protein is 7 per unit). So essentially you can eat more if its mostly fat and protein...

I can't eat like that forever. And I like to splurge on a peice of pie for the holidays without throwing my whole system out of wack. I feel better eating less and eating carbs and having my body run off those carbs (some report the same, some the opposite).

That's the diet I can live on...and the key thing for everyone. What can you live on? If its this no carb style -- I say go for it. But I personally got sick of it after a year or 2 when I tried it at 18-19.

Edit: just remember before doing Paelo guys: no half-assing it. You can't eat too many carbs for it to work and should stay on it until you are the size you want to be.
If you agreed with his post, which is looks like you did, then you don't know what you're talking about either. Calories absolutely matter. Fat, protein, and carbs are just forms of energy. The shit is converted to fat when you don't use it. Basic science.

I do appreciate the motivation to educate others on diet and exercise, but you need to be careful what you put out there, because of a lot of this information is simply not accurate. And just like on facebook, people will believe shit on the internet without doing their own research.
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I think OP thought Rants and Flames meant "O gosh darn I'm so angry about this thing! O look, here's a place where I can vent about that!"

But didn't realize that this is more like... P99's 4chan or something.

except instead of random anons its a shark attack of a small clique that posts here all the time. so he's doubly fucked.
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Old 11-29-2017, 08:41 PM
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Unless you're a professional athelete, there's no way you took in 5k calories a day and lost 90 lbs.



If you agreed with his post, which is looks like you did, then you don't know what you're talking about either. Calories absolutely matter. Fat, protein, and carbs are just forms of energy. The shit is converted to fat when you don't use it. Basic science.
The forms of energy matter though. When your body is only burning fat -- it burns more calories. That isn't a normal state for most people so they are always or almost-always burning carbohydrate calories.

So essentially your body will be able to process 2600 calories like it was 1300 (just a guesstimate from a non-professional). Not to mention you would have a higher rate of static calories being burnt for the caloric deficit math.

I did lose like 50+ ;lbs on atkins eating lots of calories a day and not even exercising -- but I never got completely "thin" that way. But I'm sure if I restricted calories and stayed on it with exercise -- it would have worked. I've seen it work for others.

BTW: if he was 500 lbs and lost 90 -- its not really the same as if he was 270 and lost 90. Also -- we have no idea what his previous diet was like. Finally, you don't seem to acknowledge ketosis is a thing. It is.
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Old 11-29-2017, 08:46 PM
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The forms of energy matter though. When your body is only burning fat -- it burns more calories. That isn't a normal state for most people so they are always or almost-always burning carbohydrate calories.

So essentially your body will be able to process 2600 calories like it was 1300 (just a guesstimate from a non-professional). Not to mention you would have a higher rate of static calories being burnt for the caloric deficit math.

I did lose weight on atkins eating lots of calories a day and not even exercising -- but I never got "thin" that way. But I'm sure if I restricted calories and stayed on it with exercise -- it would have worked. I've seen it work for others.
Reference the science for this plz.
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I think OP thought Rants and Flames meant "O gosh darn I'm so angry about this thing! O look, here's a place where I can vent about that!"

But didn't realize that this is more like... P99's 4chan or something.

except instead of random anons its a shark attack of a small clique that posts here all the time. so he's doubly fucked.
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Old 11-29-2017, 08:51 PM
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Reference the science for this plz.
Just look up the damn Paleo diet.

I'm not even telling people to eat that way.
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Old 11-29-2017, 09:45 PM
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Just look up the damn Paleo diet.

I'm not even telling people to eat that way.
You don't eat more calories on an Atkins or paleo diet, the point is that the calories you consume fill you up more so you're not as hungry. More fat and protein? Yes. More calories? No.
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Old 11-29-2017, 10:13 PM
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You don't eat more calories on an Atkins or paleo diet, the point is that the calories you consume fill you up more so you're not as hungry. More fat and protein? Yes. More calories? No.
My understanding is they tell you not to count calories unless you prove weight-loss resistant. That's how it was written in the Atkins book at least. He said you should be able to eat more than you would otherwise. Atkins argued that the diet I have described here took too much willpower. Diets like mine made you count calories and that made them miserable to be on in his opinion.

So he doesn't say: eat more calories. But if he says: "don't count calories" and "bacon in the morning is fine" you can bet most will be eating more calories. Mostly in fat and protein.

So Paleo -- haven't done a lot of research -- but I'm guessing based on what I did read its a more modern and sophisticated version of Atkins. I just said what I knew about the diet's "metabolic advantage" as Atkins used to write and explained why I don't eat like that. I took him at his word or didn't see the point in challenging the 5000 calories number

It does seem really high...but if you are doing like hours of cardio everyday its possible -- you might have been eating like shit to begin with and your the type that loses weight fast when not doing that and exercising. Not everyone is equally prone to being fat remember.
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Old 11-29-2017, 10:15 PM
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the paleo diet has serious fascist undertones
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i drank a home made chocolate malt last day

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