ninja looting does not mean you make the rules

[Teeroyoyort]

Originally Posted by Ledzepp02 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1.) I didn't win the item, so stop calling me a Ninja. I simply picked it up to give to the highest roller before someone ran by and snagged it.

2.) The cleric perfectly understood the rules and accepted that they didn't care about the rolls for anything that dropped (they wanted XP), this SK decided to completely ignore them when we laid them out. He could have EASILY protested early on, instead of when the shit actually dropped.

3.) I was tanking better without him, so "using" him was simply no more than waiting for a tank that was available, which is difficult at 5am PST. The entire group, including the cleric (non-fusion member), wanted him gone within the first 20 minutes. I said eh, just let him fill the last spot until we find a tank, the xp won't be affected too much save for the hybrid penalty.

4.) We were doing this because we wanted people to USE kunark items, not mark them up because its the first few days of kunark. Using a "/rand for anything" rule set seemed the most viable for this. He had a chance to win for selling/using, a few of us had a chance to win and give to someone who could use it and progress us. Thats how the system was, unchanged, for the duration of our time there. It's not fair that someone shows up wanting to change the system for their own benefit.

The point is, the rules WERE THERE, he seemed to accept them up until this item dropped, when he started to play dumb and change our system to NBG for his benefit. Hobby summed it up pretty f'in straightforward. Pay attention to the rules.

Allright guys cya later, i'm gonna go join a group of 18+ people at Fungi for 30 minutes after they've been there for over a day, and demand that the Fungi Tunic that just dropped go to me because I was there, even though the guild group kind of wanted to distribute it to someone who could probably make use of it to progress their guild... fuck that noise, I WANT IT, MEMEMEME. Do the shoes fit yet?

1) You're full of shit, someone didn't get the item that won the roll.
2) He still won the roll, therefore followed by you're fucking rules.
3) Who the fuck cares about the tanking ability you fucking douchebag.
4) I'm pretty sure Goragu wanted to use that item you fucking piece of shit.

P.S. No one gives a shit you camping fungi tunic.

[Chanur]

Originally Posted by Dagner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was simply pointing out, by using an example, that making vast generalizations about Fusion's members based on one incident doesn't mean it is the common way that all their members conduct business.

You idiots are guilded with these guys so you must condone it.

[Ledzepp02]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me know if I understand this correctly:
Item drops, everyone rolls, he does a joke roll at first (which while stupid, in no way is is forfeiting their right to a roll, or did you specify that at the start, incorrect rolls are a forfeit?) and so then a minute later, he rolls the highest roll, but you yourself decided too much time had passed and he was no longer eligible?

That's all that matters. Whether he was a good or bad tank is beyond irrelevant (unless of course the loot rules you laid out beforehand specified performance based loot awards)?

He rolled over 10 minutes later, outside of group, when the cleric told me to get a replacement or boot him because he was just sitting in the corner ninja afk'ing or not doing anything when we had 3+ mobs in camp.

[Teeroyoyort]

Reposting this because I think Led missed it.

I'm going to point this out since most of you guys are obviously fucking retarded. It was clearly pointed out that the SK wanted the item (before and after initial rolls). Why would you not wait for him to roll? Do you think he decided to PASS on the item he wanted really bad? Give me a fucking a break.... Things were wrapped up a lil too quickly.

[casdegere]

Originally Posted by Ledzepp02 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The mob in question was pulled from VS's room. Case closed. We were raiding. But seriously, the rules were blatantly obvious immediately after he joined. It's not my fault if he did not question the rules when they were laid out. He chose to ignore them until something for him dropped.

Not case closed and I highly doubt any rules were disclosed to him. But i see how you are. Invite him because we need him but if the "item" drops its yours? Trash talk him as a poor tank as if that is a reasoning to not allow him a roll. Cite the fact that a raid is nearby yet you invited him to a group, clearly not in "the raid". So color it however you like it is still wrong.

[Walk]

Originally Posted by Ledzepp02 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He rolled over 10 minutes later, outside of group, when the cleric told me to get a replacement or boot him because he was just sitting in the corner ninja afk'ing or not doing anything when we had 3+ mobs in camp.

ok since your not gunna stop trying to justify yourself, do us all a favor and post the logs so we can pull out our detective notebooks and get to the bottom of this

[soup]

Originally Posted by Ledzepp02 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He rolled over 10 minutes later, outside of group, when the cleric told me to get a replacement or boot him because he was just sitting in the corner ninja afk'ing or not doing anything when we had 3+ mobs in camp.

Well, he's a dumb ass then, but the right thing to do still would be give it to him. Ten minutes isn't exactly some massive amount of time, especially in EQ terms. That's barely even longer than a mob's corpse decay timer.

My two cents

[Massive Marc]

So, are you going to give him the Cleaver ?

[Walk]

Originally Posted by Massive Marc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, are you going to give him the Cleaver ?

he probably already distributed it to one of his guildies

[Swordsly]

I cant believe Ledzepp is actually trying to defend himself here. LOL. Try and save some face and admit you were wrong already. Everyone here already thinks you are an asshat, lets not confirm it for them.

As far as broad generalizations towards fusion. These generalizations aren't being based on just 1 event. Need I point out DA's two raiding suspensions passed out for using MQ to track raid mobs? Or the feeble attempts at disavowing any knowledge of the hackers and their activities on the spot? They even going as far as saying they don't condone cheating or cheaters, yet as soon as the offender gets his ban lifted he is welcomed with open arms right back into the guild. DA knew about the hacks, they didn't care. Fusion, by association with DA, is full of cunts and hackers. If you dont like these things about your guild, i would recommend trying Harbingers of Thule or something like it, because your affiliation with Fusion has blacklisted you from the other legit guilds on the server.