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[Vizax_Xaziv]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

anyone with a maxed level blue character should be banned from green, it's the only way to be sure these disgusting weirdos dont ruin it

I always rallied for a "Green" server launching alongside Velious on Blue. Would've kept the majority of the hardcore neckbears on Blue to farm their Velious Pixels.

Instead we let Velious run for what, 3 years? before launching Green. All those neckbeards are at/near BIS on Blue so now theyre shittin' up Green/Teal.

[Bazia]

Originally Posted by Vizax_Xaziv [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I always rallied for a "Green" server launching alongside Velious on Blue. Would've kept the majority of the hardcore neckbears on Blue to farm their Velious Pixels.

Instead we let Velious run for what, 3 years? before launching Green. All those neckbeards are at/near BIS on Blue so now theyre shittin' up Green/Teal.

whats funnier is that they are doing "required clickies" to 50 man raid classic content that was casually cleared for months by like 11 people during classic red99

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

whats funnier is that they are doing "required clickies" to 50 man raid classic content that was casually cleared for months by like 11 people during classic red99

Wait what? The clickies are REQUIRED to raid w/ them?

If that's true I'll tell you why: As I said, it gives them a huge preparation-advantage over any other guild that would seek to compete for raid mobs. The guild w/ 200 rootnets and 50 slowhammers is, obviously, going to have a huge advantage. Not to mention the guild bank funding requirements of constantly recharging that huge number of clickies.

[Wallicker]

Or the guild has a shared root net farming toon, /q to force LD and new person logs it in 45 seconds later...

[Wallicker]

As far as I know besides /listed accounts the current campholder can pass the camp off to whomever they please, see stormfeather camp from blue for example. Is it a dick move to skip over others who wanted the camp next to give it to a friend? Yes. is it a violation of the rules? Not yet.

[Vheran]

Hi have you tried not playing by waiting in line for 12 hours? Hope this helps

[Vallaen]

http://wiki.project1999.com/Rulings#Camp_Waiting_Lists

Pretty clear-cut, and these exact rules have been around in one form or another for quite some time. I really need to compile a "Project 1999: Errata and other extraneous information" post to put all this stuff. For now, this will have to do:

Camp holder has the right to pass the camp to whoever he would like. However, and this is very important, two things must happen in order for this to be a legitimate hand-off:

1) The player being handed the camp must be present around the time the first placeholder spawns after the last holder of the camp has gotten his or her item in hand. The person handing off the camp must stay at the spawn until the next person in line arrives, if that person is on their way to take the camp. There is a little leeway here, and we refuse to set an exact timer on how long the placeholder can be up before the camp is forfeited, but in general it should never be for more than a couple minutes or so. We tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the person coming in to take the camp in these situations as CSR staff, so waiting a bit longer will never hurt. W

2) The person holding the camp cannot mislead you, or change his mind after telling you who is next. Something that no one ever does (and I will never understand why) is to specifically address the camp holder, asking who is next or if you can be next. The camp holder does need to reveal to you who the next intended camp holder is - if he doesn't, you may ask to be next and your claim will be valid unless he reveals the next person immediately. This person cannot change after the camp holder has "revealed" the next person to take the camp to you. It is an automatic forfeit if this occurs. If you ask to be the next camp holder and are told yes, the camp holder may not later retract or change this agreement and attempt to hand the camp off to someone else - it's yours once he has gotten his item or moved on from the camp.

Something else important to note about handing off camps - in particular, popular ones, but this applies to any camp that becomes contested. If you are solo camping, once you attain the item you were waiting for (an AC ring, for example) you are done camping that mob. The person coming to take the camp had better be prepared at this point in order to come eliminate the very next placeholder spawn in order to "stake his claim" on the mob. You cannot work wacky corpse lines on lore items in order to grab multiple items in the same "camp session" if there are others waiting to take the camp. Please be aware that we reserve the right to apply this same ruling to any camp if we deem it necessary, including camps with multiple players.

[Tenlaar]

Unless I see a GM flat out say that a person who plans on holding a camp for the next seven hours is not allowed to wait until they're half an hour away from leaving to decide who to hand the camp off to I am going to continue to say that you are interpreting the rules in a way that I have never seen them interpreted here for over seven years.

[Tilien]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unless I see a GM flat out say that a person who plans on holding a camp for the next seven hours is not allowed to wait until they're half an hour away from leaving to decide who to hand the camp off to I am going to continue to say that you are interpreting the rules in a way that I have never seen them interpreted here for over seven years.

To quote the staff on previous rulings... One more time:

"The camp holder does need to reveal to you who the next intended camp holder is"

Tell me how YOU would interpret this.

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Tilien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To quote the staff on previous rulings... One more time:

"The camp holder does need to reveal to you who the next intended camp holder is"

Tell me how YOU would interpret this.

That if you are keeping a list you have to be honest about it.

I do not see it as saying that players are required to either maintain a list hours and hours out or lose the ability to pass the camp to whomever they please. You are saying that if I get a camp at 10 am on my day off and I plan to stay there until 7pm, and I know that a bunch of my friends will be logging in between 5pm and 7pm, I am not allowed to wait knowing that I will have a friend online who might want the camp. That I'm not allowed to say to somebody at noon "I'm not keeping a list" without losing the ability to pass the camp off to a friend seven hours later. That is the part that I'm calling bullshit weird interpretation on.