What have we not thought of

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Kiithsa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've heard casuals make this argument, that the hardcore folks don't want to actually compete if they can't win easily and tease casuals by waving pixels over their heads.

This is the first time I've actually seen an admission from the opposing side.

This explains what you're afraid of. You might be a "wolf" on this server, but you're not an alpha wolf. You're a beta wolf, and on a competitive server, you'd be a sheep.

*barks*

[starkind]

cecily ur an alphawolf u should

AwwhoooooO!!!!!

[mycoolrausch]

Originally Posted by Allishia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If there was no effort for the loot why would anyone play or value it? The value is there because not everyone can get it..

They have tons of pay to win / instanced servers for casual people /nod.

I worked hard for stuff I got and I love that and feel I earned it, tracking, leveling bots, etc to get ahead.

Just letting everyone have the same thing with no effort seems dumb and devalues it all. Let's give everyone a trophy so then it all means nothing..cause we can't have people who win, it might offend someone! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The effort required to app to a raid guild, and waiting around until you have enough dkp to bid on something that dropped off a mob someone else FTEd, is no greater than the effort to be in your own guild and wait around for your rotated mob. It's the same rotation. It's just who is in charge and who you're doing it with.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry you don't got, hope this helps.

Imagine someone actually reading that page of berging.

Autismspeaks.org

https://psychcentral.com/adhd/adhd-a...dhd-on-reading

[Allishia]

Originally Posted by mycoolrausch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The effort required to app to a raid guild, and waiting around until you have enough dkp to bid on something that dropped off a mob someone else FTEd, is no greater than the effort to be in your own guild and wait around for your rotated mob. It's the same rotation. It's just who is in charge and who you're doing it with.

I don't think you understand the effort raid guilds put in. It is not comparable to a rotation at all.

But I guess you talking about warm bodies who don't actually do anything but show up for dkp...you get what you put in even inside the guild. People who track and fte have triple the dkp of people who just show up../nod

[Ooloo]

I'm actually pretty persuaded by that giant post Santagar made. I've never been in a top raiding guild since p99's inception, and I've had the same nasty attitude toward them, but the things he laid out in that post really do kinda make sense.

Who is anyone to decide another group of players cares about the game too much? We obviously all do, or we wouldn't be playing it. If a top guild are dicks to others and train them and break normal rules, sure, but there's really no good argument to them "monopolizing" end game content than to just step up and do it yourself. There's a ton of other content in the game. I log in and enjoy the game basically every day and like I said, I've never been in a top tier guild here. I have a couple level 60s, and leveling them was fun as shit. I'm not sure how the big guilds "ruin" the game for others? Getting warder loot due to a forced rotation would surely be much less satisfying. All jokes about ignoring your family aside, they *did* put the work in. It's silly to joke about when we are all here playing the same game. "Lol you play a 22 year old elf sim?!? Well..... so do I..."

One problem I see though is that, like when green first launched, ST got out ahead of the pack rapidly, even though everyone started on the same page. When a guild does that, they kind of snowball and make it nearly impossible for anyone else to catch up. If they never break up outright, whoever is the first top guild will pretty much always be, because they are gearing up faster than anyone else, which exponentially widens the gap between them and other guilds.

But that is the nature of the game, and it really doesn't bother me personally.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who is anyone to decide another group of players cares about the game too much?

Care wouldn't be the word I would use here. Pretty sure platlord and company couldn't care less. Invested might be the better word for it, financially or emotionally.

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's silly to joke about when we are all here playing the same game. "Lol you play a 22 year old elf sim?!? Well..... so do I..."

Lance Armstrong and the average person with a 10-speed are taking part in the same activity but the two aren't anywhere close to being in the same category. Armstrong didn't care about the sport enough, because the prize and recognition mattered more, which ruined it for others.

MMOs are more like worlds than other types of games. The problem with this is, people still think of themselves as players and the world as a game first and foremost, even though SOE told everyone from the start, "You're in our world now." A game has winners and losers, and it can be beaten. Those who woke the sleeper didn't beat the game. Those who were declared Best of the Best didn't beat the game. Whoever gets the next FTE on KT and Statue won't beat the game either. The world goes on as it has and your achievements, while meaningful together, are individually nothing by comparison. Maybe Ooloo has beaten the game, simply by not trying to at all.

[Ravager]

1 account. 2 character slots. You get a main and an alt. Ban account sharing. Ban multiple accounts. It's easy enough to identify anyone by looking at their config files, so it is very doable and enforceable. This would make it closer to classic and harder for the people who "earn it" from monopolizing content. This would make things more equitable, but it won't happen. So who gives a fuck. Enjoy what you can here, then quit when it isn't fun, like any sane person would do.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1 account. 2 character slots. You get a main and an alt. Ban account sharing. Ban multiple accounts. It's easy enough to identify anyone by looking at their config files, so it is very doable and enforceable. This would make it closer to classic and harder for the people who "earn it" from monopolizing content. This would make things more equitable, but it won't happen. So who gives a fuck. Enjoy what you can here, then quit when it isn't fun, like any sane person would do.

not classic, thanks for playing RNF.

[Tunabros]

rotations are boring and cringe