most underpowered class in game?

[Danth]

Warrior has a special form of weakness all its own: It's the only class in the game that can't perform its primary function without either outside assistance or via the unintended abuse of click items. As a rule a warrior can only tank if someone else lets it. I don't necessarily call it the weakest class overall, but I do call it badly designed.

Indeed, if the stories that physical stun was supposed to generate hate akin to spell stun but didn't due to glitch are true, then the version of the warrior we have on P99 wasn't intended to exist at all. I believe it because of how its an outlier as described above; all other characters are self-contained.

Danth

[socialist]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Warrior has a special form of weakness all its own: It's the only class in the game that can't perform its primary function without either outside assistance or via the unintended abuse of click items. As a rule a warrior can only tank if someone else lets it. I don't necessarily call it the weakest class overall, but I do call it badly designed.

Indeed, if the stories that physical stun was supposed to generate hate akin to spell stun but didn't due to glitch are true, then the version of the warrior we have on P99 wasn't intended to exist at all. I believe it because of how its an outlier as described above; all other characters are self-contained.

Danth

It definitely is the most fundamentally flawed class in the game, but the fact that it's largely the only viable raid tank post-vanilla makes it kind of hard to call it the worst class. Outside of that one raid-MTing niche, however, the class is completely bereft of any merit whatsoever.

[Keza]

Originally Posted by Philistine [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have correctly identified me as a ranger, lol.

I tanked all the waytill 60 though, so I'm going to trust my own experience [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've healed ranger tanks plenty of times and I disagree. They tank just fine in groups. I spend waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more mana with warrior tanks that can't hold aggro for shit trying to heal 4 people all the time vs just keeping the ranger (that never loses aggro) up. It's not even close.

Both of these comments derive from experience, but both are specifically about XPquest. Warriors don't thrive in the grindvironment. Everyone knows that.

The question - even though I love rangers - is where do they thrive?

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by Keza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Both of these comments derive from experience, but both are specifically about XPquest. Warriors don't thrive in the grindvironment. Everyone knows that.

The question - even though I love rangers - is where do they thrive?

Everyone also knows 1-60 leveling is really the only good part of P99. Nobody in their right mind raids here for any extended period of time. The "XPquest" and "grindvironment" are the meat and potatoes here. They kind of always have been.

[Philistine]

Originally Posted by Keza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Both of these comments derive from experience, but both are specifically about XPquest. Warriors don't thrive in the grindvironment. Everyone knows that.

The question - even though I love rangers - is where do they thrive?

I think you make a valid point. Rangers don't really thrive any specific thing, though I might (I'm not sure [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]) try to argue their versatility is their strength. I didn't take the "underpowered " question to necessarily mean they had to thrive at something specific, but I don't think that's an unreasonable interpretation.

I stand by my Rangers are awesomesauce and not underpowered opinion, but I take your point!

[socialist]

Originally Posted by bomaroast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only a ranger would say that rangers have "just enough tankiness to tank." Unfortunately they don't, and anyone who plays a healer can attest to it. Healing a ranger is about like healing a shaman with regards to tankiness.

Rangers tank just fine for anything short of the very hardest one-group content. In fact, for the pre-Kunark era, rangers actually have the same defense skill as the other tank classes and higher dodge/parry than knights. Nobody really struggles with anything pre-55ish so having a ranger tank is good because they have respectable DPS, impeccable aggro, bring snare themselves, and can switch to the DPS role if another tank joins. I wouldn't be thrilled to have a ranger tank for something like juggs in Seb, but anything less than that, I'm perfectly pleased because they can do it just fine and are much more flexible than, say, a paladin.

[PatChapp]

Originally Posted by socialist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rangers tank just fine for anything short of the very hardest one-group content. In fact, for the pre-Kunark era, rangers actually have the same defense skill as the other tank classes and higher dodge/parry than knights. Nobody really struggles with anything pre-55ish so having a ranger tank is good because they have respectable DPS, impeccable aggro, bring snare themselves, and can switch to the DPS role if another tank joins. I wouldn't be thrilled to have a ranger tank for something like juggs in Seb, but anything less than that, I'm perfectly pleased because they can do it just fine and are much more flexible than, say, a paladin.

We had a ranger tank DN rat house recently and he did fine once slow landed. Pretty nasty mobs up to lvl 58 to, was funny honestly. That said he is very geared out

[Philistine]

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We had a ranger tank DN rat house recently and he did fine once slow landed. Pretty nasty mobs up to lvl 58 to, was funny honestly. That said he is very geared out

He was probably already doing this, but in case he wasn't , I feel like it's worth knowing that rangers can have mobs almost instantly slowed and hold agro.

Auto attack for a very brief moment (like, 1 round of swings), flame lick, then as the slower starts to cast slow ranger waits a beat then starts to cast second flame lick. If slow pulls agro it should normally bounce back to ranger as soon as second flame lick lands.

[Toxigen]

when your only raid usage is being parked with your face in a wall to get the other real classes to the fight...you're on the shittiest class

its mage by a mile

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

when your only raid usage is being parked with your face in a wall to get the other real classes to the fight...you're on the shittiest class

its mage by a mile

Too much raid emphasis. Raiding sucks here. It's 1-60 leveling/group game that matters and mages excel there.