One change you'd love to see?

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree with you. The fact of the matter is those people aren’t even really playing the raids because they enjoy EQ…they’re doing it because at the end of the day what they really enjoy is finding ways to deny others, that’s where they get the true satisfaction from otherwise they wouldn’t be the way they are about the raid content. And the reason they get so much satisfaction out of it is because they have so little going on in their real lives that the times they get to deny someone else pixels in a virtual world makes them feel powerful and important and allows them to forget the reality of their existence for just a small period of time

Sorry but this is just ridiculous. For one thing, you apparently have the power of mind-reading because you think you know what somebody's intention is for playing the game whom you don't know and have never met.

It's also just completely at odds with human nature. I don't care how polite two guilds are, if they both want a target, they are going to race to kill that target. People do enjoy that competition, that's why they play here. There are tonnnnns of "mmos" that offer the ability to schedule raids (instances) you could play.

There isn't any real difference between another guild denying you pixels, and simply not being able to defeat a raid encounter. In the latter case, the NPC you can't kill is denying you pixels. It's all pixel lust at the end of the day, whether it's instanced or not.

[Ooloo]

We should have instanced football and baseball games too; in one instance team A wins and the in the other instance team B wins!

After all, the only reason somebody gets really good at baseball is just to DENY other people trophies! Because they are just greedy losers!

[caveslug]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We should have instanced football and baseball games too; in one instance team A wins and the in the other instance team B wins!

After all, the only reason somebody gets really good at baseball is just to DENY other people trophies! Because they are just greedy losers!

Why is raiding in a 20 year old mmo, some sort of team competition for you.

And sports teams do have drafts to prevent one team from doing just that.

[Fammaden]

Sports have structure and rule enforcement far surpassing the P99 raid scene, never a good analogy.

[Ooloo]

You dorks, the point of the analogy is that if we were to do that with sports, it would completely eliminate everything that makes them interesting, and also everything that makes achievements feel like achievements.

Again, you can easily play wow or EQ2 and you can have a lvl 80 flying mount character or whatever on day 1! And you can join a guild, and run instances and eventually kill the mob! But guess what? Even with instances, people will brag and gloat over which guild killed the instanced raid boss faster, or with fewer attempts, or with fewer people, because human nature. You're signing up for a different flavor of the exact same thing, it just has far less social interaction, which is the entire point of a massively-multiplayer game. I mean for me personally, one of the most enjoyable parts of competitive EQ is sitting around shooting the shit with people in other guilds who you are directly competing with while you wait for a mob to spawn. And forming alliances where sometimes you team up with another guild, and sometimes you don't, and sometimes you betray one another, and sometimes victories feel cheap, or well-deserved. It's a much richer experience, it's actually social, you actually remember specific people who you hate or who you love. If everyone can get everything on demand, it's all cheap and plastic and phony.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We should have instanced football and baseball games too; in one instance team A wins and the in the other instance team B wins!

After all, the only reason somebody gets really good at baseball is just to DENY other people trophies! Because they are just greedy losers!

Try suggesting to furoar or detoxx that they allow another guild to kill something this time to be nice to some people who really want to check out that content and see how they react

They just like denying others to give an illusion to success for themselves in their terrible real lives

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by htabdoolb [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you had the power to change just one thing about Everquest p1999, what would it be?

If you damage a raid mob you are flagged for pvp for 7 days.

And if you damage someone who is flagged for pvp you are flagged for pvp for 7 days.

[Windez]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We should have instanced football and baseball games too; in one instance team A wins and the in the other instance team B wins!

After all, the only reason somebody gets really good at baseball is just to DENY other people trophies! Because they are just greedy losers!

This is a pretty silly analogy. League sports games are all effectively instanced between the two teams that are playing. For example, if the Braves show up in Chicago when the Cubs and the Reds are scheduled to play, they don't get to play because they ran out on the field and grabbed the bat first. Only the Cubs and the Reds get to play. That's why the schedule games. It would be really stupid if they didn't have schedules.

Like if it's the competition that you really care about, why don't you guys start an EQ Raid Championship where you schedule guilds to face off against each other?

You could make official rules like real real sports leagues do.
Everyone would be at the top of their game because they're prepared for the competition.
You'd know who your next match was up against, so you could strategize specifically against their strengths and weaknesses.

You know, like real sports do.

[Ghost of Starman]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If everyone can get everything on demand, it's all cheap and plastic and phony.

It's a video game. Not only that, it's a emulated timelocked MMO from 20+ years ago that has been fully mapped out and "solved". If you are trying to approach a game like this as a competitive sport your life priorities got twisted somewhere along the way, especially since "competing" in the current P99 raid meta involves recruiting as many terminally online individuals into your guild as possible to swarm down targets within minutes of spawning.

The most simple of real life achievements eclipses any sort of faux achievement reached on P99. Successfully making a mortgage payment, completing a shift at work, raising your kids, or kissing a woman are 100x more impressive. Even the biggest NEET who refuses to acknowledge this knows it's true subconsciously.

I know its mind-warping for the sweatiest of neckbeards that have sunk tens of thousands of hours into P99 by this point in the projects life to comprehend, but most people play MMOs for relaxation and socialization; a break from their busy, hectic lives of accomplishing things in the real world. They would like to experience whatever content is available in the game with their friends because its fun.

The raid scene on P99 is not fun. Everyone knows that the people driving the current raid meta get their enjoyment from gatekeeping, multiple people in this thread have already brought it up. This has lead to countless hundreds if not thousands of people being driven away from the P99 servers in disgust over the last 10+ years, creating a closed loop where you only have the most addicted or twisted individuals participating.

If you want a sports analogy, raiding on P99 is more akin to playing a casual flag football game at a family picnic and having a bunch of greasy 400 pound manchildren show up out of no where tackling your grandma while doing victory dances until you leave in disgust, at which point that call your family "losers" for not wanting to "compete".

It's a shame because there is so much potential in P99 that will never be fully reached; I guarantee if the code of P99 was transferred to a new server with the only change being instanced raiding the population would quickly eclipse the combined populations of blue/green.

[Eredhel]

I wonder if P99 is restricted in some of the changes they would be allowed to make, like Agents of Change. I remember EQ emulator cease and desists bringing down servers back in the day, like Winter's Roar becoming Shards of Dalaya, and wonder if daybreak backing up from them with P99 included any agreements. Especially considering how profitable TLPs are.