Why is this tolerated

[Rager and Quitter]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ftfy.

I'm not convinced that it's all bad. I live in Texas and I have met very, very few actual racists. I find more people are culturalists. If you've ever lived up in an inner city of a major metropolitan area (I grew up in DFW), you know that inner-city, ghetto culture is a huge problem and the black community, while a large part of that culture isn't the only group subject to those insidious values. They glorify violent crime and gang activity. They engage in using and selling drugs, disrespect women and authority, and act as if going to prison is a badge of honor.

I had a good friend growing up named Ralston whose mother was absolutely adamant that he do well in school (she even beat him a few times over it) and his black peers would berate him for doing well in school and "acting white". They even said he was my slave from time to time for being best friends with a "cracker" (I got jumped quite a few times during those years by groups of black or latino kids).

That violent, criminal culture is a problem and certainly isn't limited to just blacks. I knew plenty of ghetto whites and Mexicans, but the all shared those same values (if you can call them that).

People can try to blame whites all day, but those values come from within the culture. Young black men murder other young black men at rates alarmingly higher than any other group and no one seems to give a shit until some "racist, white, pig" kills a young black man under usually justified (but not always) circumstances.

Also, fuck BLM. What a garbage, corrupt movement. MLK would be ashamed.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://gtwodtke.com/curriculum-vitae/

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0811005342.htm

Uncomfortable and inaccurate as it may be, equating sociology and socialism isn’t entirely off base.

[unsunghero]

I think “stereotype” as a word has too negative a connotation, so I’ll use “assumption” instead

What I’ve been working on is trying to banish negative, non-useful assumptions about black people, and instead only consider positive assumptions that make the world a better place

For example, I’ve learned that, categorically, negative assumptions are ones that increase my perception of the agency black people have in their own lives. An example would be affirmative action and diversity focused hiring practices for the past more than a decade. Considering these I’ve realized is just jealousy, another form of white fragility

What I need to remember was what followed the “educate yourself, BIGOT” statement I read on Reddit years ago. It linked a college study that found examples where people didn’t hire fake candidates with African sounding names. Now I don’t remember how old this study was or the sample size, but a good or “positive” assumption based on college studies like these is that a black person is going to have a harder time getting a job than an equally skilled white person. And the only reason I don’t know of more studies like this is that I’m dumb and uneducated

Another example of a bad assumption is who I think is at fault for the state of a black person’s life. If I see a poor struggling black person, my original bad, unproductive assumption is that it is mostly due to the choices of their parent. Sorry, parents. That’s another assumption that needs to die. I instead tell myself “no, Unsung, assume that they had two loving parents that did their best and if not, the reason that didn’t happen is because their parents had a really hard life, because their parents did, and this all originates back to Jim Crow laws, housing discrimination, and slavery”

So as a guide to becoming less racist: good assumptions decrease the perception of black agency and point the fault at our country’s past. Bad assumptions increase black people’s agency and point the fault of shortcomings at our country’s present

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

agency

So as a guide to becoming less racist: good assumptions decrease the perception of black agency and point the fault at our country’s past. Bad assumptions increase black people’s agency and point the fault of shortcomings at our country’s present

Would you prefer to be slapped in the face or on the ass? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would you prefer to be slapped in the face or on the ass? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By you? Both

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By you? Both

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[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’m still over here trying to un-learn Martin Luther King’s desire to not judge by skin color, since apparently colorblindness is now considered another form of racism. I need to learn to stereotype up a guess at someone’s “lived experience” based on their skin color, while de-emphasizing the role their economic class status plays in that

So much to learn

At least some of that is just certain edumacated people trying to posture themselves as the new authority on a topic because academic settings can make anyone with good test scores feel self-important. But then that gets into the bubbles people live in more than anything else.

Trying to superimpose guilt after the fact seems unproductive and ignores the fact that no one's family tree is full of saints. What is an appropriate amount of guilt to feel if one is Polish, French-Canadian, Australian, etc.? How many people belong entirely to what's considered a single race/ethnicity and which mix of backgrounds are still considered white, black, etc.? Many people aren't even entirely aware of those details. Supposedly Conan O'Brien is as Irish as it gets (and his wife is Irish, Scottish, and Welsch) but Irish immigrants weren't treated favorably in America for a number of reasons, Catholicism being one, and neither were Sicilians/Italians.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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When today’s tolerance and inclusion meeting is about what you said yesterday:

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At least some of that is just certain edumacated people trying to posture themselves as the new authority on a topic because academic settings can make anyone with good test scores feel self-important. But then that gets into the bubbles people live in more than anything else.

Trying to superimpose guilt after the fact seems unproductive and ignores the fact that no one's family tree is full of saints. What is an appropriate amount of guilt to feel if one is Polish, French-Canadian, Australian, etc.?

Yeah NGL I’m on the uneducated side and mostly living in a bubble of 4chan memes

That story from John Tururo is legit sad though [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah NGL I’m on the uneducated side and mostly living in a bubble of 4chan memes

That story from John Tururo is legit sad though [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The answer is none if you didn't do it.