Polite dialouge on future of red99

[heartbrand]

It's not rocket science here. There were numerous bugs upon launch. Those who may have stayed were turned off by them, aka first impression, and didn't come back. Those who did try to return later, or new people who started late, did so when the pop had already plummeted and found the solo grind in a lifeless world to be boring and too much.

[Dacuk]

The endless loop of improvement ideas, flames, and trolls are not what is needed. Rogean (or someone empowered by him) getting engaged with the community and leading this project is what is needed. Stop wasting time with these broken record threads until the big dog gets back in the game.

[Dullah]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not rocket science here. There were numerous bugs upon launch. Those who may have stayed were turned off by them, aka first impression, and didn't come back. Those who did try to return later, or new people who started late, did so when the pop had already plummeted and found the solo grind in a lifeless world to be boring and too much.

Originally Posted by Dullah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, now that some things are fixed, the magic solution is to boost exp, get new people on the server, and because of the greatly improved environment, even though the content is plainly stale, the new population will definitely stick around and restore glory to our once barren server?

You do know this game is 13 years old and theres no active marketing campaign for this server dont you? No posters in the mall. No cardboard high elf cut outs with big boobs greeting you as you enter the video game store. No ads on the sides of your favorite mmo websites...

Certainly you realize that the vast majority of the people this box will see are already here (and gone).

I'm still not against some bonuses to help the new guys, but you are almost certainly on hard drugs if for a second you seriously think exp is the answer for a server with hundreds of inactive players who have farmed out classic and have banks lined with manastones and rubicite breastplates.

What is your fucking angle?

If new guys join the server, they will just despise you as much as everyone else, and join your opposition in stomping on you. Or are you relying on all your planar and legacy to beat up the new guys and provide you with some false sense of accomplishment when you can't dethrone the current champs.

[heartbrand]

loled @ that harrison post

[Dullah]

Originally Posted by AllDayAmbrotosAllDay [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You forgot to log into your troll account to troll yourself, bro.

My quote is the response, because its already been stated 10 times by 10 people 10 different ways...

requoted to help the feeble minded.

[heartbrand]

Logged on real quick, 5pm EST check out the server

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it's really only 10 people since I'm on to take the /who all

[Bazia]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tr0llb0rn = Cast trolling the rest of you off red99 forums.

He is doing a very good job, the ultimate destroyer of any hope of common sense in this community.

Quit arguing over red, it's dead. Been dead, for a long time. It's over, time to move on

6 PM EST:

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Anyone else remember when we were suggesting fixes for pop when 87 was average lol?

[Tumdumm]

i killed somebody this morning when we were among 8 ppl online ! im still havin fun pals [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[PhantomRogue]

Originally Posted by Dullah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What is your fucking angle?

If new guys join the server, they will just despise you as much as everyone else, and join your opposition in stomping on you. Or are you relying on all your planar and legacy to beat up the new guys and provide you with some false sense of accomplishment when you can't dethrone the current champs.

Ignore who is posting it, and take the arguments for what they are.

No one is suggesting trivializing the path to 50. In nowhere am I or anyone asking for an EXP bump to suggest that we still not make it an actual investment to get to 50. No one is asking for red69 (completely broken server) style leveling, its as absurdly easy as red99 is absurdly hard.

Even with 200% or a HotZone, a full group will STILL take days to get from 20 to 40, and that's with a constant kill per minute ratio.

Spread that over those bonus weekends, it would still take over a month to get from 20 to 50; with a "hotzone weekend" style of EXP. No one is suggesting making the trek trivial. All thats being suggested is to make it palatable. Make it not as insane as it is now. Jesus, look at the numbers. LoZ (which is a CRAP server) has people in droves, even if you assumed EVERYONE is boxing, it still has 27 (half of 55) vs 21 population as of this post...

This server is not, and should not be "CLASSIC OR GTFO;" its Classic Style game (Kunark and no further), with PvP.

Its NOT blue99 version 2.0. If this is what you want, GTFO. This server is Red, this server is about PVP, this Server should be about proving you are the baddest Mother fucker there is (and watching the "PvP Videos" you PvPrs post... god you are all fucking pitiful). This server is NOT about who can kill Spiroc Lord or Trakanon. If you want that kind of gameplay, Blue99 has a thriving population that you can join at any time (one of the best Emus around mind you).

This Server is about PLAYER VERSUS PLAYER. ANY argument about Blue style gameplay (Content) should be completely disregarded as irrelevant and thrown out.

Rogean had an idea that the people who wanted PvP, would love being on a server that facilitated such a lifestyle. And it happened. People flocked to this server. There was a veritable shit ton of PvP in the opening weeks and months. The IF boys (and others I was grouped with) would pvp people at a camp and enjoy our EXP. And to be honest, it was so bloody fun, I still miss those days (much love Andis you fuckin guido poof; and the Swedes... Smedy/Target/Tegel RIP).

But this server does NOT carry that attitude with it anymore. The people who wanted PvP fell by the wayside. And it was NOT over Content. It was over the MASSIVE time investment that honestly, was not worth it to 95% of the people who originally wanted this server.

Sure you can say, "Griefed of the server." But you realize you are saying you griefed off the server, the only people that would ensure this servers survival.

VZTZ/LoZ understand one simple fact. Content isn't king. Its getting people involved and keeping people involved. Allowing them to start today and complete "tomorrow" (not literally).

A static population: Old people die off. No new people around to take the reins? Population dwindles down to 0. This is proven time and time again. Adapt or die. Life imitates art. And the Art of Red99 needs to learn the simple, undeniable fact. When no new lives are born, when the elderly die, no one is left to pick up the pieces.

I love Red99, it is what I want in a server. But the time invested to make it worth while is just absurd in today's world.

I have so many other things that are jockeying for my time, spending 500 hours to get to level 50, just to wreck your face... not worth it. And you keep saying Content will bring people back. It will, there is no doubt. But its not the long term solution.

Rogean should just Merge Red and Blue. Its not worth it for him to run 2x the servers.

Shit, ill give him 1 grand just to kill the box now. Put me and all of the people who want to make it something worth while out of our misery. I don't want to see this server die a slow and avoidable death.

[Dullah]

^ has no idea what red server is.

Didn't play EQ during classic era. Definitely didn't play Rallos Zek. Guaranteed he never played EQ pvp on live prior to luclin.