Raid Mobs up for Grabs

[Corrodith]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your sense of entitlement is astounding.

Entitlement is for guilds who are incapable of the type of leadership and organizational force needed to actually win, so they cry to GMs instead.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So derogatory Alarti. Your sense of entitlement is astounding. You still refuse to admit you were given VP on a PNP platter and yet refuse to extend that platter to any other guild. You are also denying that /petition is one of TMO's tricks as well.

The trick we are performing during your suspension: sharing virtually every raid mob we have access to with the server. Divinity had a shot at Trak, VS will be an open raid when he pops if no one slays him in the first two hours, etc. Its more than Gore and Sev and Tal.

If you want to go back to your (or whoever it was in TMO) stating, "We were about to see about a Trak rotation with BDA but not anymore," save your breath. Its easy to say you are going to do something in hindsight, the server will believe it when we see it. Your tricks are also old and predictable at this point.

Ask our officers who were in talks with bda or I can copy paste our old thread about giving a trak rotation to bda.

We are entitled to what we earned yet you demand things you haven't. VP wasn't given to TMO we dominated VP.

Has tmo petitioned sure, is it a go to policy, absolutely not especially against a guild like BDA.
Did BDA give away more mobs than tmo would have this week..sure. TMO is a raid guild not a casual guild.

Can't wait to copy some forum threads when I get home so I can watch as you put your foot in your mouth.

How can someone be so woefully misinformed as you? Stop listening to metallikus!

[touchtonedialing]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ask our officers who were in talks with bda or I can copy paste our old thread about giving a trak rotation to bda.

I would love to see this. You know it has to be something stupid like they get one every month or something. But im sure you will only show slanted parts of the conversation that show TMO in the best light.

It wouldnt make any sense for BDA not take a fair rotation. They had two weeks of spawns to themselves and they are letting others have a chance on half of them.

You cant honestly say BDA turned down a fair rotation then they go and do something like that.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by touchtonedialing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would love to see this. You know it has to be something stupid like they get one every month or something. But im sure you will only show slanted parts of the conversation that show TMO in the best light.

It wouldnt make any sense for BDA not take a fair rotation. They had two weeks of spawns to themselves and they are letting others have a chance on half of them.

You cant honestly say BDA turned down a fair rotation then they go and do something like that.

Way to assume the negative of any proof immediately. That is how conspiracy theorists and apparently bad trolls work. Ask for proof and when it is offered negate it in any way possible.

I said officers were in talks with BDA and that a trak rotation was being discussed on our boards. The consensus was a 1 in 3 rotation for BDA pretty fair considering they were getting a 1 in 100 rotation previously.

[touchtonedialing]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Way to assume the negative of any proof immediately. That is how conspiracy theorists and apparently bad trolls work. Ask for proof and when it is offered negate it in any way possible.

I said officers were in talks with BDA and that a trak rotation was being discussed on our boards. The consensus was a 1 in 3 rotation for BDA pretty fair considering they were getting a 1 in 100 rotation previously.

"Way to assume negative of any proof. But ya you're totally right. The rotation wouldn't be fair"

Might want to look up a post too.

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want to go back to your (or whoever it was in TMO) stating, "We were about to see about a Trak rotation with BDA but not anymore," save your breath. Its easy to say you are going to do something in hindsight, the server will believe it when we see it. Your tricks are also old and predictable at this point.

Negative suspicion can easily be applied to most statements. I might ask how successful was Divinity or Acryid at a solo Trak kill?

[arsenalpow]

Alarti, BDA officers tried to have a conversation in vent with Faz/Sent the day of the sky kite incident and he declined (or he didn't have a mic or something) but there was never a situation where your leadership ever wanted to "give" us a trak rotation. There was some incredibly brief talks concerning maybe a dojo rotation since he's a fixed spawn but your leadership was very clear that any windowed raid mob would be FTE like it's always been.

At this point I'd like to remind our posters from BDA to behave themselves. This needs to be a productive conversation. If your leadership would like to discuss having some type of rotation just send a tell to Sanluen, Sadad, or myself (chest) and we'd be more than willing to try and work out an equitable solution to this unique situation this server is in.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There was some incredibly brief talks concerning maybe a dojo rotation since he's a fixed spawn but your leadership was very clear that any windowed raid mob would be FTE like it's always been.

HIjacking chest's comments here.

So there were talks that fixed spawn mobs would /can be rotated?
If the changes get rid of variance will the older variance raid mobs be put on the table for a rotation? In a way a guild that is smaller than bda but super capable guilds like divinty or acryid could be placed upon it?

Also, if velious is actually coming sooner than later are you going to really bother with kunark mobs so much outside of VP?

I hate to seem like I am prying with what your future intentions are going to be. BDA in this two week raid ban has been very open with what we are doing. I am also assuming BDA would continue to do so in the future. A fair amount of ill will could be worked out with a stance saying, publicly, what you would be willing to work with.

The Ragefire rotation was a great idea, and it seems like you guys had to do some compromising to get it to work with the guilds. Now, almost every cleric that wants a click stick and has put in the effort has one. Your individual members should love that they can call upon a BDA or Divinity cleric to get them rezzed in the middle of nowhere.

You guys still hold the cards when it comes to dictating the terms obviously. So you can either come to the table on this stuff(if you have not already done so), or lock down every raid mob forever until everybody gets bored at high level and quits. The lower population in the last months seems like this is part of what has been the case.

[Tarathiel]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

or lock down every raid mob forever until everybody gets bored at high level and quits. The lower population in the last months seems like this is part of what has been the case.

these problems dont just affect us at higher levels. im sure there are quite a few people out there that quit before they even hit raid level simply because of a lack of options when it comes to raid guilds. with a rotation and removal of variance i think we would start seeing alot of new smaller guilds popping up to try and get their piece of the pie

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

HIjacking chest's comments here.

So there were talks that fixed spawn mobs would /can be rotated?
If the changes get rid of variance will the older variance raid mobs be put on the table for a rotation? In a way a guild that is smaller than bda but super capable guilds like divinty or acryid could be placed upon it?

Also, if velious is actually coming sooner than later are you going to really bother with kunark mobs so much outside of VP?

I hate to seem like I am prying with what your future intentions are going to be. BDA in this two week raid ban has been very open with what we are doing. I am also assuming BDA would continue to do so in the future. A fair amount of ill will could be worked out with a stance saying, publicly, what you would be willing to work with.

The Ragefire rotation was a great idea, and it seems like you guys had to do some compromising to get it to work with the guilds. Now, almost every cleric that wants a click stick and has put in the effort has one. Your individual members should love that they can call upon a BDA or Divinity cleric to get them rezzed in the middle of nowhere.

You guys still hold the cards when it comes to dictating the terms obviously. So you can either come to the table on this stuff(if you have not already done so), or lock down every raid mob forever until everybody gets bored at high level and quits. The lower population in the last months seems like this is part of what has been the case.

Of course if velious comes out we will be focused there. With the exception of Phara Dar there is nothing we need in Kunark. Other than a few epic pieces here and there but TMO is over 95% epic'd (necros draggin us down).

Variance would suck honestly it would just mean a rotation (which eliminates competition) or poopsocking which is really just lame. If we are going to put in a rotation we mine as well just petition the GM's to give every guild loot each week.

Raiding im sure is part of what has been the cause of people quitting but people are quitting from TMO too. The main cause for server decline is the 9+months late Velious. Its not EVERQUEST....without the Ever. Live constantly had new content pushed out. Velious was 8 months after kunark. 1 yr later Luclin, PoP was 10 months after Luclin etc. etc.

What makes this worse is this is not new content for most of us. We know the questlines, the bosses the zones etc. so content gets stale faster.