Dark Ascension...phallax, quite the char

[girth]

Phallax, you remind me of Craig Hoffman from Family Guy.

Meg: Hi, Craig. Umm, I was wondering if maybe you would want to, I don't know, go out sometime?
Craig Hoffman: Huh, that's about as likely as me playing by someone else's rules besides my own. Which I would never do. I play by my own rules, nobody else's, not even my own.
Meg: How 'bout a movie?
Craig: I don't go out with dudes.

[girth]

tl;dr

Phallax: Huh, that's about as likely as me playing by someone else's rules besides my own. Which I would never do. I play by my own rules, nobody else's, not even my own.

[Phil]

Here's a story:

The other day in LGuk we had a very nice group going that was pulling pretty much executioner, ass/sup, and cav/sav/sage. It was great exp and great prospective loot. We were sitting somewhere in between the camps, but closer to exe. When someone called camp check we did that super clever thing where different members of the group claim different spawns. Some group moved into ass/sup because we weren't technically there, even though we had broken it down and been pulling it consistently.

I thought about making up some stench about how we had broken and controlled the camp, but then I realized that I was just being a greedy little bitch that wanted a roll on a thick banded belt.

Anyways, moral of the story is if you're not there to camp the damn camp it is not yours, no matter how greedy you may be. I don't care if it's a 36 hour spawn. If you want to camp a fucking no-life spawn like that then yes, you DO have to sit there with your thumb up your ass. You can't go have your cake (help friends level) and eat it too (claim a spawn that is somewhere else).

Everybody's calling Phallax a jerk and I think he kind of pigeonholed himself by claiming fraps, calling on all this past bs, and claiming server rules for the whole world to see on a screenshot, but the reality is he's not that big of a dick. I think the bigger dick here is someone who thinks they can somehow power level there friends somewhere else and then come back to a spawn they want XXXX amount of time later and try and lay claim to someone else who has moved in. That shit doesn't fly with me.

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by Phil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's a story:

The other day in LGuk we had a very nice group going that was pulling pretty much executioner, ass/sup, and cav/sav/sage. It was great exp and great prospective loot. We were sitting somewhere in between the camps, but closer to exe. When someone called camp check we did that super clever thing where different members of the group claim different spawns. Some group moved into ass/sup because we weren't technically there, even though we had broken it down and been pulling it consistently.

I thought about making up some stench about how we had broken and controlled the camp, but then I realized that I was just being a greedy little bitch that wanted a roll on a thick banded belt.

Anyways, moral of the story is if you're not there to camp the damn camp it is not yours, no matter how greedy you may be. I don't care if it's a 36 hour spawn. If you want to camp a fucking no-life spawn like that then yes, you DO have to sit there with your thumb up your ass. You can't go have your cake (help friends level) and eat it too (claim a spawn that is somewhere else).

Everybody's calling Phallax a jerk and I think he kind of pigeonholed himself by claiming fraps, calling on all this past bs, and claiming server rules for the whole world to see on a screenshot, but the reality is he's not that big of a dick. I think the bigger dick here is someone who thinks they can somehow power level there friends somewhere else and then come back to a spawn they want XXXX amount of time later and try and lay claim to someone else who has moved in. That shit doesn't fly with me.

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[Omnimorph]

Can't be arsed to read 7 pages of this, but what i'll say is that if i zoned into paw and saw a level 50. I'd send them a tell and ask them if they're camping ishva, hell i'd probably just ask them if ishva was due or if they would be leaving soon.

By letter of the law Phallax played by the rules, but even playing by the rules you can still be a dick about it. A level 50 in a level 30-35 dungeon usually means they're camping something. You could have just asked.

Yes, it's unfair to bring a whole guild into a situation involving a single individual, but when there's a number of occasions that has involved it's members it unfortunately does tend to happen :/

Rules and etiquette are separate things, breaking one gets you labelled a cheat, the other gets you labelled an ass. Some people are content to be an ass who doesn't cheat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Loke]

Originally Posted by girth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Phallax, you remind me of Craig Hoffman from Family Guy.

I think the more important part of this post is that Phallax doesn't go out with dudes. You just broke a lot of hearts by making this information public Girth.

[AstyTZ]

I have no horse in this race, and I dont know either individual involved. Having said that, there is a couple ways for this to have been avoided. Should Phallax have called CC upon entering the zone? Probably. I think the "I never call CC" is kind of weak. Isvha is a unique camp in that its such a long spawn, so I certainly dont fully blame him for showing up, thinking it was open, and taking it (nothing was dead and no one was there).

Even though you dont need to kill the guards, perhaps you should, just to leave your mark if you choose to be elsewhere in the zone. Also, when im free-roaming a zone taking numerous spawns, I make it my responsibility to monitor who is in zone, and if someone comes in, I get my ass back to the camp I want asap. I.e. in Perma when I went for a mammy cloak, I was keeping several named cleared, but once someone else showed up, I went right back to mammy in case they were to check it without calling CC.

[AstyTZ]

All in all, if I were Phallax, I probably would have given the camp back, but if I had been there for the 15+ plus minutes he said he was, it would have been tougher to do. If I were Cazic, I would have never let this happen in the first place, because I would have been back at the Ishva camp as soon as I saw Phallax come in.

I liken the camp rules to the constitution... some people take it word for word, and others use extrapolated interpretations for the countless situations that cant possibly be explained 100% cut and dry.

[Aadill]

Basically: following the rules makes you a big mean jerkface. Perhaps kinder words should've been used but staying in the camp you want is the only way to get what you want. Dems da rules.

Much like the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, the rules were put in place to protect the little guy. When the little guy isn't aware of his rights and what he is supposed to do to maintain them, he gets stepped on by someone else that is aware. The ignorance of one person is not a burden to be shared by everyone anymore than it is required.

Sorry broham, it sucks you lost the camp. Camps are territorial in nature - undefended territory is the same as unclaimed territory. Prepare to have your flag captured.

[Alawen Everywhere]

Given my own difficulties with conflict resolution, it would make little sense for me to judge how this should have been handled, but one thing is definitely clear here: Phallax's attempts to pretend that he doesn't care about loot and that he is "only here for the experience" in other threads are completely disingenuous. This is a conflict over a rare and valuable item for either resale or twinking. In the abstract, Phallax prevailed because his greed was greater.