Forceful Entry wipes pathetically to CT on a Free anc Clear Engage with 45 people

[dragonfists]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I assure you, I am quite serious.

I am simply pointing out established customs and offering an explanation for the TMO's actions as they have been presented in this thread. Please note that I used the word explanation and not justification, so let's not try to read it into something it is not.

I freely admit the possibility that TMO has, and will in the future, peel mobs. It is, in my opinion however, quite clear that TMO does not exercise peeling as an option nearly as frequently as it could. The reason being past experiences. This was stated as a direct answer to Tanthallas' demand that we peel mobs instead of petitioning kites.

And I'm not your buddy, guy.

at least you'll admit you're not above doing questionable shady tactics, others in tmo like to present the white knight image..

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

@mav sure.. as long as the kite doesnt do laps... which yours did.


Earlier you said he was suspended for trak... now its fear? make up your mind troll.

our kited died and sloan picked up the kite and draco was tagged off again before you guys even had a raid force in zone. I didn't say anything about suspensions so you are mixing up your quotes. To my knowledge sloan got suspended for a fay kite, which looking at your map is ridiculous considering you guys had 5 in zone at time of engage and he died before you guys could get off the raft...

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes usually you kite the zone and someone tags draco off of the kite...do you petition yourself everytime you do this as well?

Ordinarily, an improper kite occurs when it is a stalling tactic. In the case of Draco, a U-turn or loop can sometimes be necessary to get the mob into the camp, so a kite can still be legitimate without being a straight line. Pullers are allowed a certain degree of self preservation.

That said, several guilds, including TMO have gained and lost Dracos (or other mobs) because the puller over/under shot the camp and had to double back. When this happens vent tends to explode because everyone knows the mob just went back on the market. In this latter case, such would be a petitionable incident if it was found to be a deliberate stalling tactic. Otherwise, the mob simply becomes peelable by an opposing force. (Unless the "kiting" raid clearly regains control of the mob by resuming a proper pull before any such peel attempts are made).

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ordinarily, an improper kite occurs when it is a stalling tactic. In the case of Draco, a U-turn or loop can sometimes be necessary to get the mob into the camp, so a kite can still be legitimate without being a straight line. Pullers are allowed a certain degree of self preservation.

That said, several guilds, including TMO have gained and lost Dracos (or other mobs) because the puller over/under shot the camp and had to double back. When this happens vent tends to explode because everyone knows the mob just went back on the market. In this latter case, such would be a petitionable incident if it was found to be a deliberate stalling tactic. Otherwise, the mob simply becomes peelable by an opposing force. (Unless the "kiting" raid clearly regains control of the mob by resuming a proper pull before any such peel attempts are made).

all sorts of scenarios could happen, but fact is you guys are complaining about kites where you did not have a raid force present, which should negate any petition you have. we pulled it as soon as it was feasibly possible today. Yet when your bard kites for 10m in ej it's because he's new and learning the zone? Come on man...

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by dragonfists [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

at least you'll admit you're not above doing questionable shady tactics, others in tmo like to present the white knight image..

Do not twist my words. I was strictly talking about TMO peeling dragons in response to what they judged were illegitimate kites. There is nothing shady about such a scenario.

Of course, TMO and every other guild has committed E-crimes at some point. This is beyond doubt. I freely admit this, as do most people. However, I do not enjoy you subverting my message for a cheap partisan snipe.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

all sorts of scenarios could happen, but fact is you guys are complaining about kites where you did not have a raid force present, which should negate any petition you have. we pulled it as soon as it was feasibly possible today. Yet when your bard kites for 10m in ej it's because he's new and learning the zone? Come on man...

(Triple post; I should probably get away from the computer now, heh.)

I am not referencing or justifying any particular action. Please reread my initial post: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...&postcount=110

The context of that post was to simply illuminate certain principles that explain how and why the scenarios in question played out as they did. The general, and accepted up to this point, custom has trended towards requiring only a good faith mobilization when the pull begins in order to have a vested interest in that particular encounter. In other words, if you're running to the mob in a timely manner you will likely have a say in the resolution of the encounter.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(Triple post; I should probably get away from the computer now, heh.)

I am not referencing or justifying any particular action. Please reread my initial post: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...&postcount=110

The context of that post was to simply illuminate certain principles that explain how and why the scenarios in question played out as they did. The general, and accepted up to this point, custom has trended towards requiring only a good faith mobilization when the pull begins in order to have a vested interest in that particular encounter. In other words, if you're running to the mob in a timely manner you will likely have a say in the resolution of the encounter.

Agreed then.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ordinarily, an improper kite occurs when it is a stalling tactic. In the case of Draco, a U-turn or loop can sometimes be necessary to get the mob into the camp, so a kite can still be legitimate without being a straight line. Pullers are allowed a certain degree of self preservation.

That said, several guilds, including TMO have gained and lost Dracos (or other mobs) because the puller over/under shot the camp and had to double back. When this happens vent tends to explode because everyone knows the mob just went back on the market. In this latter case, such would be a petitionable incident if it was found to be a deliberate stalling tactic. Otherwise, the mob simply becomes peelable by an opposing force. (Unless the "kiting" raid clearly regains control of the mob by resuming a proper pull before any such peel attempts are made).

I hate it when you make sense. It's much easier to hate on people of mouthbreather squad when they don't make sense.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a good faith mobilization when the pull begins in order to have a vested interest in that particular encounter. In other words, if you're running to the mob in a timely manner you will likely have a say in the resolution of the encounter.

When you petition another guild for 'kiting' a raid mob - in this case putting an additional 30 seconds perhaps on a pull that is a 5 minute pull to begin with - while having less than a full group in zone to that guilds 17 people, any 'good faith' talk is straight bullshit. 17 FE were in zone, 17 FE killed Fay. If kiting was the goal to stall, it seems like we did a poor job.

Kiting rules are in place to avoid raid interference. There is no raid interference here; instead there is a group of people trying to abuse the intention of the rules because they once again did not beat FE to mobilization.

[Funkutron5000]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ordinarily, an improper kite occurs when it is a stalling tactic. In the case of Draco, a U-turn or loop can sometimes be necessary to get the mob into the camp, so a kite can still be legitimate without being a straight line. Pullers are allowed a certain degree of self preservation.

That said, several guilds, including TMO have gained and lost Dracos (or other mobs) because the puller over/under shot the camp and had to double back. When this happens vent tends to explode because everyone knows the mob just went back on the market. In this latter case, such would be a petitionable incident if it was found to be a deliberate stalling tactic. Otherwise, the mob simply becomes peelable by an opposing force. (Unless the "kiting" raid clearly regains control of the mob by resuming a proper pull before any such peel attempts are made).

It's always a pleasure to see you post, Xasten. You tend to go for informative and honest posting, which is surprising in RnF. It's always nice to see something other than "prove it", "no u" which is present from both TMO and FE.