Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you need to provide better data

All I can do is re-state the facts in continued effort to attempt to continue the discussion(s) in a civil manner. The ball is in DSM's court.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as the data shows

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You called me "silly" when you were backed into a corner by my replies to you on the below thread too, and you stopped replying (like a little bitch): https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...401629&page=37.

How's it going in that corner you've been backed into?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am maintaining civility in this discussion, and my position is founded on hard evidence. The only insults I throw are thrown in defense.

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, you have not maintained civility in this discussion.

I have maintained civility in my posts to you - in which I have ONLY stated facts and asked questions - and despite my civility you have (repeatedly) called me a troll, called me silly, accused me of doing/posting things I have not done/posted, and meanwhile have continued to ignore my simple questions and avoided responding to the many facts I've stated. I present both of our posts - from this thread and elsewhere - as evidence of my civility, and you have provided no counterevidence despite me requesting you provide it (multiple times).

Why do you opt out of partaking in a civil discussion with me, and meanwhile claim that you are maintaining civility in this discussion (yet choose to continue to call me names for [seemingly] no reason)?


Why do you feel the need to "defend yourself" from any of the facts I have stated or questions I have asked?

[Gloomlord]

I did read your post. You said: "You don't need really need CH for your party members".

No shit, CSM. Why was that point relevant to anything? A shaman with torpor doesn't mean anything, regardless.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I did read your post. You said: "You don't need really need CH for your party members".

No shit, CSM. Why was that point relevant to anything? A shaman with torpor doesn't mean anything, regardless.

It's really simple. CH takes 10 seconds to cast. If the Cleric is in the process of healing a pet, they cannot stun, or heal another character[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] The Shaman can heal the Enchanter who took 1000 damage while the Cleric is stunning or CHing. That adds extra safety to the group that the Mage cannot provide.

And as you say, if the group is satisfied with the Enchanter DPS, you wouldn't care about the Mage's DPS.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's really simple.

All I can do is re-state the facts in continued effort to attempt to continue the discussion(s) in a civil manner. The ball is in DSM's court.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as the data shows

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You called me "silly" when you were backed into a corner by my replies to you on the below thread too, and you stopped replying (like a little bitch): https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...401629&page=37.

How's it going in that corner you've been backed into?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am maintaining civility in this discussion, and my position is founded on hard evidence. The only insults I throw are thrown in defense.

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, you have not maintained civility in this discussion.

I have maintained civility in my posts to you - in which I have ONLY stated facts and asked questions - and despite my civility you have (repeatedly) called me a troll, called me silly, accused me of doing/posting things I have not done/posted, and meanwhile have continued to ignore my simple questions and avoided responding to the many facts I've stated. I present both of our posts - from this thread and elsewhere - as evidence of my civility, and you have provided no counterevidence despite me requesting you provide it (multiple times).

Why do you opt out of partaking in a civil discussion with me, and meanwhile claim that you are maintaining civility in this discussion (yet choose to continue to call me names for [seemingly] no reason)?


Why do you feel the need to "defend yourself" from any of the facts I have stated or questions I have asked?

[Gloomlord]

Yeah, it's not like the two other enchanters don't have stun or anything...

The 4th member, which isn't an enchanter, is just there to provide safe and reliable DPS, which mage provides more of than shaman. There's already enough CC and healing with the two other classes.

We're going around in circles, you lunatic. Do you not see you've already lost?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, it's not like the two other enchanters don't have stun or anything...

The 4th member, which isn't an enchanter, is just there to provide safe and reliable DPS, which mage provides more of than shaman. There's already enough CC and healing with the two other classes.

We're going around in circles, you lunatic. Do you not see you've already lost?

You already admitted the DPS of the fourth character is largely irrelevant. Unless you want to walk that back, you have already disproven the need for a Mage's DPS with your own logic.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You already admitted the DPS of the fourth character is largely irrelevant. Unless you want to walk that back, you have already disproven the need for a Mage's DPS.

All I can do is re-state the facts in continued effort to attempt to continue the discussion(s) in a civil manner. The ball is in DSM's court.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as the data shows

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You called me "silly" when you were backed into a corner by my replies to you on the below thread too, and you stopped replying (like a little bitch): https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...401629&page=37.

How's it going in that corner you've been backed into?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am maintaining civility in this discussion, and my position is founded on hard evidence. The only insults I throw are thrown in defense.

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, you have not maintained civility in this discussion.

I have maintained civility in my posts to you - in which I have ONLY stated facts and asked questions - and despite my civility you have (repeatedly) called me a troll, called me silly, accused me of doing/posting things I have not done/posted, and meanwhile have continued to ignore my simple questions and avoided responding to the many facts I've stated. I present both of our posts - from this thread and elsewhere - as evidence of my civility, and you have provided no counterevidence despite me requesting you provide it (multiple times).

Why do you opt out of partaking in a civil discussion with me, and meanwhile claim that you are maintaining civility in this discussion (yet choose to continue to call me names for [seemingly] no reason)?


Why do you feel the need to "defend yourself" from any of the facts I have stated or questions I have asked?

[Gloomlord]

I said the utility the shaman brings is irrelevant. Why would the DPS the 4th class brings be irrelevant?

You've lost the argument, DSM. Swallow your pride and admit defeat.

[Gloomlord]

Did this DPS take into account the speed at which two charm pets are doing DPS?

The potential DPS of a shaman means nothing if the mob dies before the DoT has a chance to finish. The mage's pet doesn't need to care about this. The mage doesn't need to care about cannibalise, nor healing himself, to upkeep this DPS either.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did this DPS take into account the speed at which two charm pets are doing DPS?

DSM has provided zero evidence of his Shaman DPSing in a high level fast-paced killing DPS group in this thread. (I submit the posts in this thread as evidence.)

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The potential DPS of a shaman means nothing if the mob dies before the DoT has a chance to finish. The mage's pet doesn't need to care about this. The mage doesn't need to care about cannibalise, nor healing himself, to upkeep this DPS either.

Correct. These facts (among many others that have seemingly been completely ignored or [intentionally or otherwise] misinterpreted or misconstrued) have been stated to DSM multiple times by multiple posters hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]