Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Correct. These facts (among many others that have seemingly been completely ignored or [intentionally or otherwise] misinterpreted or misconstrued) have been stated to DSM multiple times by multiple posters hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then I think it's time to admit defeat.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did this DPS take into account the speed at which two charm pets are doing DPS?

The potential DPS of a shaman means nothing if the mob dies before the DoT has a chance to finish. The mage's pet doesn't need to care about this. The mage doesn't need to care about cannibalise, nor healing himself, to upkeep this DPS either.

Yes, I have already taken this into account if you read my overview of the discussion I posted earlier.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you stopped replying (like a little bitch)

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, I have

All I can do is re-state the facts in continued effort to attempt to continue the discussion(s) in a civil manner. The ball is in DSM's court.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as the data shows

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You called me "silly" when you were backed into a corner by my replies to you on the below thread too, and you stopped replying (like a little bitch): https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...401629&page=37.

How's it going in that corner you've been backed into?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am maintaining civility in this discussion, and my position is founded on hard evidence. The only insults I throw are thrown in defense.

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, you have not maintained civility in this discussion.

I have maintained civility in my posts to you - in which I have ONLY stated facts and asked questions - and despite my civility you have (repeatedly) called me a troll, called me silly, accused me of doing/posting things I have not done/posted, and meanwhile have continued to ignore my simple questions and avoided responding to the many facts I've stated. I present both of our posts - from this thread and elsewhere - as evidence of my civility, and you have provided no counterevidence despite me requesting you provide it (multiple times).

Why do you opt out of partaking in a civil discussion with me, and meanwhile claim that you are maintaining civility in this discussion (yet choose to continue to call me names for [seemingly] no reason)?


Why do you feel the need to "defend yourself" from any of the facts I have stated or questions I have asked?

[Gloomlord]

If you're telling the truth, then mage is still more DPS. So...?

Yeah, I think...

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

When looking at DPS, you can see that you will only lose 20-30 DPS when picking a Shaman over a Mage. Using Troxx's Data, you can see that two charmed level 47 mobs with a Torch and Haste would do 86x2 = 172 DPS. This means you are looking at a difference between 255 DPS and 225 DPS. When killing a mob with 8000 HP, the difference would be 31 seconds vs. 36 seconds. The Mage is only saving 5 seconds per kill, and offers very little else. A Shaman's toolkit on the other hand has a much broader application, and will save your group time in other less quantifiable ways. I see very little reason to pick a Mage over a Shaman.

[Gloomlord]

Then you completely left out the upkeep shaman needs to do compared to mage, and how the utility and healing he provides won't make up for nor outdo the mage's extra DPS.

We've been over this time and time again.

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then you completely left out the upkeep shaman needs to do compared to mage, and how the utility and healing he provides won't make up for nor outdo the mage's extra DPS.

We've been over this time and time again.

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I didn't, you simply keep refusing to read my posts lol.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you stopped replying (like a little bitch)

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, I have

All I can do is re-state the facts in continued effort to attempt to continue the discussion(s) in a civil manner. The ball is in DSM's court.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as the data shows

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You called me "silly" when you were backed into a corner by my replies to you on the below thread too, and you stopped replying (like a little bitch): https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...401629&page=37.

How's it going in that corner you've been backed into?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am maintaining civility in this discussion, and my position is founded on hard evidence. The only insults I throw are thrown in defense.

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, you have not maintained civility in this discussion.

I have maintained civility in my posts to you - in which I have ONLY stated facts and asked questions - and despite my civility you have (repeatedly) called me a troll, called me silly, accused me of doing/posting things I have not done/posted, and meanwhile have continued to ignore my simple questions and avoided responding to the many facts I've stated. I present both of our posts - from this thread and elsewhere - as evidence of my civility, and you have provided no counterevidence despite me requesting you provide it (multiple times).

Why do you opt out of partaking in a civil discussion with me, and meanwhile claim that you are maintaining civility in this discussion (yet choose to continue to call me names for [seemingly] no reason)?


Why do you feel the need to "defend yourself" from any of the facts I have stated or questions I have asked?

[Gloomlord]

Yes, you keep telling yourself that bullshit...

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, you keep telling yourself that bullshit...

The information is there, it isn't hiding. You factually haven't read it. This is why you keep arguing, you don't even know what my points are.